What worries me about all this is the creation of artificial barriers between teacher and learner. I think the biggest problem in HE today is that increasing staff student ratios make it more and more difficult for there to be an intimate relation of trust between teacher and taught. Good teaching can take place only if feedback is personalised, which presupposes that teachers know who they are giving feedback to. And if the personal relationship is a good one, students won't cheat. 
 
As one of my former colleagues said, you can mark anonymously, but you can't teach anonymously. Amen to that. And in so far as you are merely marking rather than teaching, your efforts aren't adding value to your students' learning experience, and they are largely a waste of time. 
 
George.

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From: Plagiarism on behalf of Jonathan Harrison @ Baroni Ltd Italy
Sent: Wed 28/02/2007 20:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Student originality report



Dear all
I have been reading these discussions with some interest, and wondering
where we, the private sector may be able to add some value.

Taking these last points in to account how does the following sound, and
would it be of interest/fit with your culture and policies?

1. student send text message an get unique ID  by which he/she logs in to
secure website to upload their report

2. examiner can view reports and mark them on line, not knowing either the
mobile number or any information about the student, just the unique ID

3. examiner tells system when he/she has marked paper on the web, system
notifies student via text, who can then login and look at examiners
mark/remarks, in fact you maybe able to send the mark via text to the
student, again the examiner and the student will not be able to find out
about each other

Have I missed the point ?

One issue I have thought of, which also applies to how you are doing things
today too; if the student is submitting their papers via the web, do not use
word, and be careful with PDF, as meta data held in the document could be
used to identify or partly identify the student !!!

Your thoughts, please.

 Regards

Jonathan


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-----Original Message-----
From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Davis
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:43 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Student originality report

We are actually trying to mark the essays anonymously, and one way to do
this was worked out as printing the originality reports, and entering the
candidates with purely an examination number for identification.  This
produces the problems of mounds of paper!  The department wanted students to
see their report and comment upon it if they felt so inclined, but keep
their identity hidden from the examiner.

Once the examiner has access to Turnitin they have access to the student's
email addresses of the form joe.bloggs@.... which isn't very anonymous!

We may have an alternative method which involves bulk uploads, but we wanted
to try out student self-submission in the first pilot in the hope of
reducing staff load.  It's all new to us at the moment, we have to try and
adapt practices from the last thousand years with modern technology :-)

Paul

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Dr Paul V Davis
Acting Head, Learning Technologies Group
Oxford University Computing Services

% -----Original Message-----
% From: Badge, Dr J.L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
% Sent: 28 February 2007 09:43
% To: Plagiarism; Paul Davis
% Subject: RE: Student originality report
%
% Paul
%
% We have students submit final year dissertations of up to 10,000 words
% to Turnitin through Blackboard. Why would you want them to submit a
% paper copy of the originality report? In my experience, to analyse these
% correctly you need to look at the dynamic electronic version, using the
% side by side view to ascertain the origin and nature of any matching
% text. Are staff not going to look at the electronic version at all?
% Through Blackboard, any instructor registered on a course can view the
% originality reports, if you are concerned about access, reports can be
% saved and emailed to staff for viewing.
%
% I must say that by asking students for a paper version you are loosing a
% great deal of information that should be used for correct interpretation
% by staff.
%
% Jo
%
% -----Original Message-----
% From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul
% Davis
% Sent: 27 February 2007 16:50
% To: [log in to unmask]
% Subject: Student originality report
%
% We are about to undertake a trial of the Turnitin system with students
% submitting their work electronically, and then handing in on paper a
% copy of the originality report along with the printed work.  Looking at
% the system it seems a complete originality report may be longer than the
% actual paper (probably a 5,000 word essay). I suppose we could ask for
% just the coloured section at the beginning of a classic report, but that
% seems open to abuse.
%
% Has anyone else used the system in this way, and if so any hints on how
% to reduce the amount of generated paper?
%
% TIA
%
% Paul

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