medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
From: Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]>
> Here's a history of the church:
http://www.people.ku.edu/~asnow/history.html
a nice enough site.
if one were careless, however, one might mistake the huge church in the city
view
http://www.people.ku.edu/~asnow/images/balesj.jpg
for St. Julien.
the big one is the cathedral ("Nostre Dame") --St. Julien is the tiny one
across the river, in the lower right hand corner ("S. Ivlien").
the historical account given on the site needs a bit of correction:
"The building was still in ruins when King Henri I signed a charter during the
first half of the 11th century giving St. Julien and several other ruined Left
Bank churches to the Bishop of Paris."
this would be the source of my rusty memory that the Bishop owned it --that,
and the architectural correspondance between the present building and the
cathedral, which really is quite close.
some shots are here, on an otherwise not too hot site:
http://www.amis-st-julien-royaucourt.org/saintjulien_fichiers/saint_julien_le_pauvre.htm
note the sexpartite vaults in the choir and the massive columns of the main
arcade of what's left of the nave (lower left pic). there are also close
parallels in the capital folliage, pier bases, imposts moldings, etc.
"The church then passed into secular hands, and at the beginning of the 12th
century it was jointly owned by Etienne de Vitry and Hugues de Monteler,"
this would have been a bit unusual, bucking the Trend in the late 11th-early
12th c. of ownership of churches passing from secular to ecclesiastical
hands.
presumably the work of one of the more secular bishop predecessors of the
reforming Stephen of Senlis.
"who, in 1120, ceded St. Julien to the Abbey of Longpont, a dependent of Cluny
Abbey in Burgundy."
i know of no "Longpont" in Burgundy, as the ambiguity in the wording might
indicate.
the Longpont in question was surely the Cluniac priory of Longpont-sur-Orge
(cant. Montlhéry, arr. Palaiseau, Essonne), 20 miles or so south of Paris:
http://www.corpusetampois.com/cls-12-cartulairedelongpont.html
http://le91.free.fr/longpont/longpon1.htm
http://pelerinages-evry.cef.fr/images/pe040291.jpg
it was one of the more powerful priories in that region; though not as large
and important as the Cluniac house of St. Martin-des-Champs.
perhaps the choice of LP was due to family associations which the donors might
have had with it?
(the more famous Longpont is Cistercian, and is up in the diocese of Soissons,
i believe: http://www.pbase.com/francist/image/2123561 )
"The monks of Longpont founded a priory of 50 brothers on the site and rebuilt
the church in the Gothic style. [15] Although no documents record the exact
dates of its construction, it is generally accepted that the present St.
Julien was built between 1170 and 1240."
one wonders why they waited until the '60s or or to rebuild what they had
owned since 1120.
sometimes (often) the process of "regularizing" a church which had fallen into
secular hands took a generation (as the secular prebendaries were generally
allowed to keep their senecures for their lifetimes), and this could account
for part of the delay, but not all of it.
c
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