JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for IDANET Archives


IDANET Archives

IDANET Archives


IDANET@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

IDANET Home

IDANET Home

IDANET  January 2007

IDANET January 2007

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: Charles Murray on Intelligence and Education

From:

Chuck Russell <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

IDANET (Individual Differences and Assessment Network)

Date:

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:57:02 -0500

Content-Type:

multipart/alternative

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (102 lines) , text/enriched (126 lines)

It is interesting that people from one end of the bell curve view those 
on the other end as disadvantaged. Certainly in the typical education 
system that is true. Short people are disadvantaged in a basketball 
game. However, that advantage begins to fade when the sport changes to 
golf, and it transforms into an advantage as a gymnast or an 
equestrian.

I am continually evangelizing companies about job fit. My experience is 
that myths such as "the smarter the better" drives businesses to 
construct job descriptions that can only be filled successfully by 
individuals who will not do that job for very long. A recent example is 
of a large call center with hundreds of telemarketers. They were 
plagued with high turnover, and their belief was that the job was just 
too difficult. They recruited people for the job, and then put them 
through an intense training program over 2 days. Those that passed the 
training test were then hired. Over 50% left that job which they had 
sought so diligently within 90 days. Using good assessments which 
included a measure of general reasoning, we showed them that candidates 
who could pass the training test, would not be challenged by the 
routine of the actual job. Only the intensity of the training program 
engaged them sufficiently. Who should they hire? Candidates in the 50th 
percentile and even lower were engaged by the routine of the job. They 
took pride in mastering the tasks and in delivering them each and every 
day. By extending the length of the training program and adding more 
hands on experience and repetition, slower learners could be 
successful.

We have had similar experiences in sales teams, executive teams, 
financial positions. "Smart" is an answer, but it is not the answer for 
all jobs. Slow is actually a powerful strength in many positions. 
Schools are simply a game that does not favor the slower learners. 
Unfortunately, that model carries over into jobs, and it carries a 
negative connotation. Equality is a myth, and myths do not support 
personal growth. Casting intelligence as having a value relative that 
is relative to the situation in which it is used can be powerful.

Chuck Russell

On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Paul Barrett wrote:

> Hello
>
> Charles Murray has published a 3-part opinion-piece in the Wall Street 
> Journal over the past three days. The full-text of each piece is 
> available from the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy 
> Research where he is the W,H, Brady Scholar in Culture and Freedom
>
> http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.25452,filter.all/pub_detail.asp
>
> Part 1: Intelligence in the Classroom
> Part 2: What's wrong with Vocational School
> Part 3: Aztecs vs Greeks
>
> Whatever you feel about these issues - and about intelligence 
> measurement - these are a suite of provocative and thought-provoking 
> articles. As ever, he sometimes speaks with an authority about 
> intelligence which belies the imprecision of its definition and 
> measurement. But, within the clever weaving of fact and assertion, 
> there are some critical questions posed about the role of education 
> and the current fad for everyone to gain a degree in something.
>
> For me, one of the most "stand out" and chilling paragraphs (in terms 
> of what it implies from many competing perspectives) is from Part 3 
> ...
>
> "In short, I am calling for a revival of the classical definition of a 
> liberal education, serving its classic purpose: to prepare an elite to 
> do its duty. If that sounds too much like Plato's Guardians, consider 
> this distinction. As William F. Buckley rightly instructs us, it is 
> better to be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone 
> book than by the faculty of Harvard University. But we have that 
> option only in the choice of our elected officials. In all other 
> respects, the government, economy and culture are run by a cognitive 
> elite that we do not choose. That is the reality, and we are powerless 
> to change it. All we can do is try to educate the elite to be 
> conscious of, and prepared to meet, its obligations. For years, we 
> have not even thought about the nature of that task. It is time we 
> did".
>
> ______________________________
> Paul Barrett
> Chief Research Scientist
> Hogan Assessment Systems Inc.
> Tulsa, Oklahoma
>
>
>
Chuck Russell
Author - Right Person - Right Job, Guess or Know
Jobfun.com
770.715.8326
[log in to unmask]


Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, 
is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain 
confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, 
disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended 
recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all 
copies of the original message.

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
January 2008
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager