There are some *very interesting things being done with sonnet form, and
indeed always have been. The thing that gets me a bit annoyed is an
assumption in certain quarters (no one on this list, of course) that any
poem which has 14 lines is ipso facto a sonnet. I've written 15-line poems,
and 13-liners, and had people say quite seriously -- Why don't you take out
a line / add a line, and then it will be a sonnet. Not if it hasn't got what
Alison calls the shape of the thought, it won't!
joanna
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: "Autumnal Sonnet"
> You might then think of changing where you're sitting.
> E.g., you might take a look at what's been done with
> the sonnet by the likes of Ted Berrigan and Bernadette
> Mayer, among others.
>
> Hal
>
> "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously."
> --Noam Chomsky
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> On Sep 17, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Kasper wrote:
>
>> "The world of the sonnet is a wide and varied one"
>>
>> not from where I'm sitting, but that's just one way to look at it. I
>> have a categorical dislike for poetry that is strictly schematic in
>> terms of form (this does not include haiku, because good haiku aren't
>> strictly schematic in form).
>> the reason I was wondering it is that these 'sonnets' don't follow the
>> metre- or rhyme schemes that english & italian sonnets do; i.e. they
>> aren't 'technically' sonnets. the only alternative I see is then that
>> you call these sonnets because that description for the poems has some
>> bearing on what you want to say in/with them, or how. that motive is
>> what I was after, nothing more. :)
>>
>> Douglas, I'm not sure my question warranted as curt a reply as yours.
>>
>> KS
>>
>> On 17/09/06, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> The world of the sonnet is a wide and varied one.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> "If the brain were so simple we could understand
>>> it, we would be so simple we couldn't."
>>> --Lyall Watson
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>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Kasper wrote:
>>>
>>> > I've been wondering, why do you call these poems sonnets?
>>> >
>>> > On 16/09/06, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >> Autumnal Sonnet
>>> >>
>>> >> An undesecrated flag flew over the ballpark, where outfielders
>>> >> napped and baserunners took desperate chances. Such talent
>>> >> as that had not been seen since the beginning of the eclipse.
>>> >>
>>> >> Opportunity stood on our doorstep, hand raised to knock. Embryo-
>>> >> genesis, our middle name. No-fly zones at the ready in the
>>> backyard.
>>> >> All sorts of guys came by for drinks, or looking for free hand-
>>> outs.
>>> >>
>>> >> Among the missing, we were always at a loss for something to say,
>>> >> something at least sympathetic, if not moreso. A designer
>>> >> of aloha shirts camped on the median strip across from the end
>>> >>
>>> >> of our driveway. "Will work for food" said his sign. Some said his
>>> >> parents had married for love, but none could have known for sure.
>>> >> Youngsters congregated in the front yard, choosing up sides.
>>> >>
>>> >> We older folk kicked back in the bleachers, basking in the early
>>> >> October sun, taking our game to higher levels than ever before.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hal
>>> >>
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