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Capetians & their Saints Re: [M-R] 31 August, Isabelle of France

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Diana Wright <[log in to unmask]>

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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

cecilia gaposchkin wrote:

> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Many thanks to Dr. Field for reminding us all that Louis IX was not 
> the only royal saint the Capetians produced -- just the only one who 
> got the official recognition of the pope!
>
> The question this poses for me -- just what exactly was it about 
> Blanche of Castille that produced suchh children?  And more so, how 
> both Isabelle and Louis, but also Charles of Anjou?
>
> M.C.Gaposchkin, Ph.D.
> History, Dartmouth College



I became very interested in this question and did a paper on it in 
graduate school, looking at Capetian-Angevin saints within the family 
system, using family system psychiatric theory as the basis for 
examination.  I was not able to get enough information on enough 
individuals to draw conclusions that satisfied me, but such terrific 
studies of various Capetians have been done in the last few years that I 
think  results would be much better.  Still, there is good evidence for 
a number of family situations.  I came out of the study with a 
tremendous affection & admiration for Blanche, & great respect for 
Charles of Anjou [whose manuscript collection & support of troubadours 
is not adequately noted].  I had planned to give a paper on this at the 
Haskins Society last fall but a family crisis made that not happen.


A paragraph: 
"Family systems theory contains certain assumptions: that a  person is a 
combination of intellectual and emotional systems, that the intellect 
has the option of supporting or countering the emotional, that any 
behavior of an individual or couple is part of a larger pattern of 
family dynamic, that people are not autonomous in their emotional 
functioning but function in reciprocal relationships with one another.  
To call this functioning and reciprocity a system does not explain the 
processes involved: it describes them.  These processes exist in all 
families, more exaggerated in some than in others.        To study 
families, this theory uses eight concepts as templates, derived from 
traditional psychological theory but from observation: /differentiation 
of self, triangles, nuclear family emotional process, family projection 
process, multi-generational transmission process, sibling position, 
emotional cutoff, and societal emotional process/ -- all descriptions of 
ongoing processes across spectra of intensity which can usefully 
describe families from any culture.  Three of the templates decribe 
over-all family processes; five concern particular details within the 
processes.       Bowen used the quotation from Tristram Shandy [see 
below] to illustrate how these concepts function.  I will illustrate 
brief explanations of the templates with correspondences from Angevin 
lives before looking at more two general aspects of the Capetian-Angevin 
family system. There may well be more individuals available for 
consideration with more information more easily accessible than any 
other royal family until the Tudors, and they provide numerous 
illustrations of the eight concepts.  The Capetian-Angevins encompass, 
at a minimum, 125 individuals over six -- even eight -- generations, 
beginning with Guillaume IX, grandfather of Elinor of Acquitaine (Figure 
2), continuing through the grandchildren of Charles II of Naples.  The 
amount of information on a few of these is disproportionately large; 
some have been almost completely ignored.   The kind of information 
varies a great deal from one individual to the next and it is difficult 
to be sure of many dates and ages.  But they were a highly literate 
family surrounded by writers -- poets as well as lawyers and clerks.  
They were passionately involved in thirteenth century European politics 
from Spain to Greece and from Scotland to Hungary -- and aroused 
pasionate reactions -- and much was written down."


These people were remarkably healthy, at least the women, with Elinor of 
Aquitaine having at least 10 live births and living to 82, & Blanche 
with 12 and living to 64.  The other primary women in the family have 
comparable numbers.  I suspect that the trip in which Elinor of A 
escorted her teenage granddaughter Blanche to her French marriage 
contained a glorious amount of information & advice.

I am not satisfied with this paper but would share it with people who 
are really interested in the ideas, who request it off-list

DW




Le procès de canonisation de Saint Louis (1271-1297): Essai de 
reconstitution.  Louis Carolus-Barré (Rome 1994).  [The death of Blanche]
"Cinq ou six jours avant sa mort, alitée à Pontoise, dans l'abbaye 
qu'ell fondée, elle demanda l'havit des religieuses, et le 
rec[cedilla]ut de main de l'évêque de Paris qui lui avait donné la 
communion; et comme, en la revêtant de l'habit, il ajoutait la 
restriction "en cas de mort," elle déclara qu'à la vie ou à la mort elle 
voudrait être religieuse, et, depuis ce moment, obéit à l'abbesse comme 
la dernièe des religieuses.  Ayant re[cedilla] les sacrements, et la 
mort approchant déjà, ell avait perdu la parole; les prêtres et les 
clercs présents hésitaient, ne sachant que faire; tout a coup elle se 
mit d'elle-même à entonner la prière de la recommandation de l'âme: 
Subvenite sancti Dei, et rendit l'âme oey à oey cgabtabt ebtre ses debts 
ka syute de cette irausib,  Saubte racube d'où sont sortis de si saints 
rameaux, le roi d'abortd, puis le comte d'Artois, martyr de fait, et 
comte de Poitiers, martyr de désir."


“Though in one sense, our family was certainly a simple machine, as it 
consisted of a few wheels, yet there was this much to be said for it, 
that these wheels were set in motion by so many different springs, and 
acted on upon the other from such a variety of strange principles and 
impulses--that though it was a simple machine, it had all the honor and 
advantages of a complex one--and a number of as odd movements within it, 
as ever were beheld in the inside of a Dutch silkmill."               
                Tristram Shandy, Laurence Sterne, 1762.

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