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Oh, white cloak over dark habit. Thought it was dark scapular over white
habit. Mea culpa.
Quoting Paul Chandler <[log in to unmask]>:
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> John, your man is not Vincent of Beauvais, but Thomas Netter of
> Walden (ca. 1375-1430), who is wearing a Carmelite habit because he
> is a Carmelite. The very fetching colour scheme is more or less the
> reverse of the Dominican, brown habit and white cloak (hence
> "Whitefriars" in England) instead of white habit and black cloak
> ("Blackfriars"). -- Paul Chandler, who has an outfit like that.
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> Helen Brown wrote:
>
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>> It looks rather like a modern Trappist habit - except that
> Trappists as such
>> didn't exist then, so some sort of Cistercian, I suppose. And
> Trappists
>> don't have the white capuce thingy, afaik. How odd.
>>
>> Helen Brown
>>
>>
>> Quoting John Wickstrom <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
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>>> Dear Listmembers,
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>>> http://www.kzoo.edu/history/Wickstrom/vincent.jpg
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>>>
>>> The URL above goes to a supposed illustration of Vincent of
> Beauvais (BL
>>> Royal MS. 14.E.1, 15th c) I ran across browsing a book on
>>> illuminations. Vincent, as is well-known, was a Dominican friar.
> Yet
>>> this is in no way a Dominican habit. Indeed, I don't know what
> religious
>>> order has this sort of habit. It is as if the proper colors were
>>> completely reversed. My experience is that at least later medieval
> MSS
>>> are careful about such details. Any speculations about this
> strange garb
>>> for an OP?
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> jbw
>>>
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>>>
>>> John B. Wickstrom
>>>
>>> Kalamazoo College
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