Why don't you both just block each other's e mail addresses so you don't
annoy each other for a while? Oh shut-up Annie. OK :-)
>From: Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and
> poetics <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: abusive list behaviour
>Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:52:48 +0100
>
>Mr Bircumshaw may have nothing more to say; but I - the target for his bile
>- shall now speak.
>
>If he tried this in a slum he'd get kicked. I know. I grew up in one, but I
>don't try to special plea on the back of it
>
>He has today, amongst other things, without provocation or apparent
>stimulus asserted I want to be a gatekeeper, a managerial controller, a
>massager of who's in who's out (of poetry), of disengenuosness and
>hypocrisy
>
>and has distorted completely what I said played the _I come from a slum and
>everyone's against me nonsense_
>
>and has pretended that I started the attack
>
>It would be one thing if he had offered any justification for these
>remarks, but he just side stepped that invitation.
>
>He is entitled to think what he wants of my poetry and I know that he has
>the ability to argue his case when there is a case and he can bothered.
>
>As to the distortion of what I said, I am content to let people judge as he
>published the originals that he was distorting.
>
>But there remains the assertion of control and hypocrisy and, I thought at
>one point, corruption, implying he knows things that have not been aired
>here. These are calumnies and it is not good enough to shrug, not when the
>tone is one of _I am right_; because he is not right; he is making it up
>
>I want an apology because if I do not get one it is more likely it will
>start again, as it has before. He has himself published here the evidence
>of that which I chose to keep private for his benefit. I want an apology or
>a sustainable justification, not what seems to him or what is claimed to
>have been heard. What gates do I keep? Whom do I control? What actions or
>words of mine are hypocritical? Whose name do I massage?
>
>I have no such power. If he believes he has evidence that I am being
>disengenuous, one of his charges, let him give it or retract the charge.
>
>I want that apology because I take this matter very seriously and find his
>inexplicable malice upsetting. I don't like being bullied and that is what
>is being attempted.
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