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Why don't you both just block each other's e mail addresses so you don't annoy each other for a while? Oh shut-up Annie. OK :-) >From: Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and > poetics <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: abusive list behaviour >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:52:48 +0100 > >Mr Bircumshaw may have nothing more to say; but I - the target for his bile >- shall now speak. > >If he tried this in a slum he'd get kicked. I know. I grew up in one, but I >don't try to special plea on the back of it > >He has today, amongst other things, without provocation or apparent >stimulus asserted I want to be a gatekeeper, a managerial controller, a >massager of who's in who's out (of poetry), of disengenuosness and >hypocrisy > >and has distorted completely what I said played the _I come from a slum and >everyone's against me nonsense_ > >and has pretended that I started the attack > >It would be one thing if he had offered any justification for these >remarks, but he just side stepped that invitation. > >He is entitled to think what he wants of my poetry and I know that he has >the ability to argue his case when there is a case and he can bothered. > >As to the distortion of what I said, I am content to let people judge as he >published the originals that he was distorting. > >But there remains the assertion of control and hypocrisy and, I thought at >one point, corruption, implying he knows things that have not been aired >here. These are calumnies and it is not good enough to shrug, not when the >tone is one of _I am right_; because he is not right; he is making it up > >I want an apology because if I do not get one it is more likely it will >start again, as it has before. He has himself published here the evidence >of that which I chose to keep private for his benefit. I want an apology or >a sustainable justification, not what seems to him or what is claimed to >have been heard. What gates do I keep? Whom do I control? What actions or >words of mine are hypocritical? Whose name do I massage? > >I have no such power. If he believes he has evidence that I am being >disengenuous, one of his charges, let him give it or retract the charge. > >I want that apology because I take this matter very seriously and find his >inexplicable malice upsetting. I don't like being bullied and that is what >is being attempted.