I'll expand on this, Mr Upton, as I am feeling furious and want to vent my
anger, it's so much nicer to let those feelings out and then they go away,
yes?
I am of, not just from, the underclass, but in no way am I a hard knock, I
might be a six-footer but I'm about as violent as a wet teabag. I love
poetry, so much so that I hate it too, my really strong ambition is to write
a prose book, not fiction, what I hate about poetry is the 'scene', the
status-obsessed wank that goes along with it all.
I do remember you, me ducks, when I first ventured on the e-mail poetry
scene it was in this innocent notion that they were places where people
talked about poetry, instead I got a certain Mr Upton and his mate attacking
me for being a pseudonym for somebody else with whom they were being
litigious. It freaked me out. I also recall another of your delightful
back-channels in which you threatened to report me to my server and get my
internet access revoked. I know too that you've used that threat on others,
terrible of me wasn't it to publish your latest b-c's, everyone can see, I
don't share your sense of courtesy, the only things I'VE said on these
matters have been up-front and open.
Absolutely fed up with talking about all this. ( I have real problems to
deal with, beyond all this fiddle, like how to save Vicky's 14 year old from
the Somalian drug-dealers who are trying to get him, her two eldest got
nobbed by them, with the result they're both in prison, we can't let that
happen to Kyle)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: abusive list behaviour
> Mr Bircumshaw has plenty more to say but he was trying not to do so
because
> it's making him feel angry, and he doesn't like that feeling, it's
negative,
> dark, and unpleasant.
> Said Mr Bircumshaw has no need of advice about how to behave 'in a slum'
(I
> quote) I didn't just grow up in the world that phrase denotes but I live
in
> it: I have a little anecdote for how to deal with threats of getting
kicked.
> The other year, one night in this pub, this huge bloke, about six foot
seven
> and muscle-bound like Mr T, threatened to take me out, little Vicky, all
> five foot four of her, zimmer frame and all, stood in front of me and said
> to him 'if you hit him (me) you have to hit me first'.
>
> Mr T crumbled, like all bullies he depended on acquiesence.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: abusive list behaviour
>
>
> Mr Bircumshaw may have nothing more to say; but I - the target for his
> bile - shall now speak.
>
> If he tried this in a slum he'd get kicked. I know. I grew up in one, but
I
> don't try to special plea on the back of it
>
> He has today, amongst other things, without provocation or apparent
stimulus
> asserted I want to be a gatekeeper, a managerial controller, a massager of
> who's in who's out (of poetry), of disengenuosness and hypocrisy
>
> and has distorted completely what I said played the _I come from a slum
and
> everyone's against me nonsense_
>
> and has pretended that I started the attack
>
> It would be one thing if he had offered any justification for these
remarks,
> but he just side stepped that invitation.
>
> He is entitled to think what he wants of my poetry and I know that he has
> the ability to argue his case when there is a case and he can bothered.
>
> As to the distortion of what I said, I am content to let people judge as
he
> published the originals that he was distorting.
>
> But there remains the assertion of control and hypocrisy and, I thought at
> one point, corruption, implying he knows things that have not been aired
> here. These are calumnies and it is not good enough to shrug, not when the
> tone is one of _I am right_; because he is not right; he is making it up
>
> I want an apology because if I do not get one it is more likely it will
> start again, as it has before. He has himself published here the evidence
of
> that which I chose to keep private for his benefit. I want an apology or a
> sustainable justification, not what seems to him or what is claimed to
have
> been heard. What gates do I keep? Whom do I control? What actions or words
> of mine are hypocritical? Whose name do I massage?
>
> I have no such power. If he believes he has evidence that I am being
> disengenuous, one of his charges, let him give it or retract the charge.
>
> I want that apology because I take this matter very seriously and find his
> inexplicable malice upsetting. I don't like being bullied and that is what
> is being attempted.
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