medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Oops, I just only saw (from your e-mail) that Andrew is simply quoting Bede on
this point...
Frans van Liere
Department of History, Calvin College
1845 Knollcrest Circle SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49546-4402
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/history/faculty/vanlieref/
>>> [log in to unmask] 04/04/06 2:16 PM >>>
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Chris,
If it helps, I remember one reference to "cesores lapidum" in Andrew's
commentary on 1 Kings 5: 15, as explanation of the word "Lathomus". My RSV
translates the same word as "quarrymen".
Andrew (in CC:CM 53A:)
1 Rg. 5,15 Lathomorvm. Lathomi sunt cesores lapidum.
Frans van Liere
Department of History, Calvin College
1845 Knollcrest Circle SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49546-4402
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/history/faculty/vanlieref/
>>> [log in to unmask] 04/04/06 2:05 PM >>>
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
clearly the subject of this querry should be "cesores lapidum".
i hate it when that happens.
c
------ Original Message ------
Received:
From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [M-R] cesores lapidarum?
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> a Brain Teaser for the Scholards and the otherwise
non-Latiniacally-challenged on this list:
>
> the cartulary of the abbey of St. Mary of Josaphat, in the valley of the
Eure just below Chartres, is very rich in charters from the time of its
foundation by Bishop Godfrey of Leves (1117) through the next two centuries.
>
> among the earliest charters are to be found the rich witness lists to the
various acts of donation which are common to this period.
>
> and among those witnesses (_testes_) are an extraordinary number of manual
laborers, including some who were clearly working on the construction of the
buildings for the new abbey.
>
> i know of no other cartulary from an institution in France which has so
many
danged stoneworkers --nearly 30 of them, sometimes accompanied by their
*wives* [SIC!!].
>
> they are usually styled "cementarius", but there are a few which are given
other titles.
>
> "lapidicini ecclesiae" shows up once or twice, and i'm thinking that the
Novum Glossarium M.L.'s "tailleur de pierre" fits for these guys, even though
a "lapidicinium" is a quarry (simply because "quarrymen" would be less likely
than "stonecutters" to show up in a monastic chapter to witness a charter).
>
> more stumping yet is the appearance of some guys styled "cesores lapidum".
>
> my first thought was "stone cutter", perhaps even (dream on) "sculptor";
but
this was based on the False Friend of a supposed connection with "sissors".
>
> the new Latham suggests [at CAESOR] "striker, hewer, cutter [as in tailor]"
and cites an instance of use from the Venereal Bede, "...latomos dicit
lapidum
caesores...".
>
> am i in the presence here, with these "cesores lapidum", of yet more simple
"stone cutters/hewers", i.e., more or less generic "masons"?
>
> or may i go further with these various professional titles and say that
they
may represent qualitative distinctions within the stone-working crafts?
>
> and, if the latter, in which direction?
>
> are the "cementarii" the low guys on the totum pole or are they at the top,
above the "quarry/stoneworkers" and "stonecuters"?
>
> any random thoughts --particularly if they happen to be Informed by some
actual knowledge-- would be welcome.
>
> c
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html
|