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many thanks, Frans and Bob.
sorry if i wasn't clear about what i was looking for --perhaps that was a
reflection of the fact that i'm not sure what i'm looking for.
i just recently came across a reference to this (unpublished, i assume) ms.
which was said to be a latin versification of Maccabees, the prologue of which
stated that it was written at the request of a very important 12th c. bishop.
looking at my source again i see that it says "of Kings and of Maccabees".
my curiousity about it is as broad as my knowledge is shallow.
From: Frans van Liere <[log in to unmask]>
> I have looked in my materials on Samuel and Kings, and the only
versification of Kings that I found is by Hildebert Venerabilis (s. xii,
*1132), Carmen in Libros Regum, PL 171, 1230-1264.
thanks for this, i'll take a look.
though the (apparently) unique ms. is 13th c. --and from St. Victor's of
Paris-- the work itself is certainly datable (from its dedication) to the
second quarter of the 12th.
>I'm not sure, from the very summary description, whether this is what you're
looking for. "Un eveque de ..." ?? I guess that's the question!
no, i know the bishop, but am required to be somewhat circumspect about him.
my ignorance of these scriptural matters is very nearly complete, so i have no
single "question" --any question will do, at this point.
like, how common were "latin versifications" (which, i assume means a
rewriting of the Vulgate text, in verse) of books of the O.T. in c. 12?
From: Robert Kraft <[log in to unmask]>
> I'm a bit lost with the directions this question is taking. What does
Maccabees have to do with it?
my original source says that it is Maccabees which was (also) versified;
Delisle's catalogue entry says it is "les livres des rois".
just a little contradiction which needs to be resolved, i suppose.
From: Frans van Liere <[log in to unmask]>
> I thought the question was about Latin versifications of the book of Kings.
and Maccabees.
in general, yes.
how unusual is this, as a genre and, particularly, as a genre in the first
half of c. 12?
or even in c. 13, since the (apparently unique) ms. which i'm interested in
dates from then and was, apparently, Victorine in origin.
>Or was it about one particular B.N. manuscript?
the *text* of a single section of Bn lat. 14758 is what is of interest.
>Or about the manuscript tradition of the book of Kings (and/or Maccabees?) ?
only to the extent that that "tradition" contains a branch devoted to
"versified" renditions.
now i've looked again at the description of the ms. in Delisle's Inventaire on
gallica
http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-12404
here it is in full (or almost), with Delisle's punctuation :
14758. Poesies de Sedulius, Arator (19v), Prosper (35, Juvencus, S. Hilaire
(65), S. Cyprien (68, 83v), S. Avit (69) Dracontius (80); Hildebert, de
sacramento misse (85). -- Les livres des rois mis en vers latins et dedies a
un eveque de... (91).
so, in view of Frans' mention of the versification of Kings by "Hildebert
Venerabilis", i'm wanting to read Delisle's dash (. --) as suggesting that the
section of the ms. beginning on fol. 91 is by the same "Hildebert" who did the
treatise on the sacrament of the mass immediately preceeding it in the ms.,
beginning on fol. 85.
is this "Hildebert" H. of Lavardan, bishop of Le Mans?
and is he the same "Hildebert Venerabilis" who is in PL 171?
if so, it looks like this portion of 14758 might not be unpublished after
all.
i'll have a look at Migne.
thanks to all, again.
c
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