medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
as well, the question of mendicants orders' begging was seen as equal as
"caymans": the Guillelmus de sancto amore de valido mendicanti, treats that
precise matter.
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N'en sai plus dire
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Denis Hüe,
responsable du Master Lettres Langues Communication
Centre d'Etude des Textes Médiévaux, (CETM-CELAM)
Université de Haute Bretagne
http://www.uhb.fr/alc/medieval
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From: "Hal Cain" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [M-R] beggars and saints' charity
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Ann Ball wrote:
>
>> But wouldn't mendicant orders all be religious, so their beggins would
>> not be of the common type of person who was just a poor person, widow,
>> leper, etc.?
>
> I think that's a bit too much of a generalization.
>
> I agree with you that (humanly speaking) groups or communities tend to
> favour their own; but it's hard to be in a religious community, exposed to
> a yearly cycle of readings in the divine office and the mass, and totally
> miss out on the message of the Good Samaritan (that *anyone* who needs
> help should be given it; likewise, from the Prodigal Son, that mistakes
> should be forgiven -- though Paul Chandler's contra-example from here in
> Melbourne may give us pause; exceptio probat regulum).
>
> Historiographically speaking, I seem to find myself among the
> revisionists: forget the "story" that's been told, where's the evidence?
> How does it run? I suspect the answer is various. So the next questions
> have to be: time? place? orders (since we mentioned mendicants)? persons?
> For half the "medieval" period, mendicant orders didn't exist. Did they
> make a difference?
>
> As for the "city gates" aspect, my general idea of medieval towns is that
> there was a market square, or the like, from which at times beggars may
> have been hunted out pretty smartly; but the city jurisdiction ended at
> the gates. Therefore, outside the gates was a safer place for beggars;
> besides, by definition, gates were points where traffic of people coming
> into and going out from the town was concentrated.
>
> Hal Cain
> Joint Theological Library
> Parkville, Victoria, Australia
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