The rhythm of the line also suggests stress on the second syllable of Loben,
which accords better with an abbreviation of Lobengula than with a Germanic
place name.
Liz
> From: Geoff Maloney <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Geoff Maloney <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:09:18 +1000
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Loben
>
> Loben, I think, is a town in an industrial area of Austria. But I agree
> with my colleagues who have posted to the list earlier that Loben is more
> likely a person in this context: "the smoke redden eyes" suggests this.
> The comparison between "Sayyid Burgash in a tantrum" and "smoke reddened
> eyes of Loben" I think is important. In a writers mind this is meant to
> flow from like to like.
>
> I admit that I am ignorant on content with this one. But if Sayyid Burgash
> is a person, then I suggest that Loben is also a person, based on the like
> to like flow of writing. On the other hand if others know that Sayyid
> Burgash is a place name, then it would follow that Loben is a place name as
> well. If so this is a very interesting line from Kipling's work as we have
> places personified as people.
>
> Regards
>
> Geoffrey
>
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> Can anyone help Mr Clarke by locating 'Loben'.
>
> Most grateful for any thoughts.
>
> John R
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>> 1_surname: Clarke
>> 2_firstname: Stephen
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>> Query:
>>
>> In The Lost Legion, (Seven Seas) 1895 Kipling writes:
>>
>> "We have laughed at the world as we found it - its women and cities and
>> men -
>> From Sayyid Burgash in a tantrum,
>> to the smoke reddened eyes of Loben (Dear boys!)
>> We have a little account with Loben."
>>
>> Where was Loben? I have looked through a good many atlases without
>> success. ?An industrial town somewhere, but where?
>>
>> Stephen Clarke
>>
>>
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