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The rhythm of the line also suggests stress on the second syllable of Loben, which accords better with an abbreviation of Lobengula than with a Germanic place name. Liz > From: Geoff Maloney <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: Geoff Maloney <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:09:18 +1000 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Loben > > Loben, I think, is a town in an industrial area of Austria. But I agree > with my colleagues who have posted to the list earlier that Loben is more > likely a person in this context: "the smoke redden eyes" suggests this. > The comparison between "Sayyid Burgash in a tantrum" and "smoke reddened > eyes of Loben" I think is important. In a writers mind this is meant to > flow from like to like. > > I admit that I am ignorant on content with this one. But if Sayyid Burgash > is a person, then I suggest that Loben is also a person, based on the like > to like flow of writing. On the other hand if others know that Sayyid > Burgash is a place name, then it would follow that Loben is a place name as > well. If so this is a very interesting line from Kipling's work as we have > places personified as people. > > Regards > > Geoffrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: To exchange information and views on the life and work of Rudyard > Kipling [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John > Radcliffe > Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2006 5:53 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Fw: (No subject header) > > > Can anyone help Mr Clarke by locating 'Loben'. > > Most grateful for any thoughts. > > John R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:00 AM > Subject: (No subject header) > > >> 1_surname: Clarke >> 2_firstname: Stephen >> 3_email: [log in to unmask] com >> 7_Suggested_Extracts: Suggested Extracts - with sources, max 80 words >> >> Query: >> >> In The Lost Legion, (Seven Seas) 1895 Kipling writes: >> >> "We have laughed at the world as we found it - its women and cities and >> men - >> From Sayyid Burgash in a tantrum, >> to the smoke reddened eyes of Loben (Dear boys!) >> We have a little account with Loben." >> >> Where was Loben? I have looked through a good many atlases without >> success. ?An industrial town somewhere, but where? >> >> Stephen Clarke >> >> >>