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Re: What is the explanation for the difference?psychology or sta

From:

Ted Harding <[log in to unmask]>

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Ted Harding <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:28:50 -0000

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On 30-Dec-06 kornbrot wrote:
> People appear to be looking for a statistical reason for the
> difference when there is a MUCH simpler psychological explanation
> Psychological research has consistently show thar the correlation
> between attitudes expressed in questionniares is, at best, very
> loosely correlated with behaviour.
> Reasons? 1. people may not wish estimate, 2. people may not be
> able to estimate Seasonal scenario
> Questionnaire on IDEAL number of family arguments at Christmas
> Dinner/New  Year's eve party or any other seasonal celebration
> Observastion of  ACTUAL number of family arguments at Christmas
> Dinner/New Year's eve party or any other seasonal celebration
> Who believes that any differences are due to defects in STATISTICAL
> methodology
> My takehome lesson?
> Marketing type questionnaires are pretty useful for predicting
> behaviour!
> 
> Happy New Year
> 
> Diana

Fair points! And a Happy New Year to you and to all!

Now to be unseasonally slightly grumpy. Or perhaps it's
a contribution to the Ideal Number of Arguments at this time.

Diana's email landed with a 73KByte thump. Hmmm.

20 Dec:
John Barker's long original, with HTML attachment: 18KB
Strip HTML: 9.5KB

Mike Brewer's reply, no inclusions, no HTML: 4.5KB

Paul Spicker's reply, no inclusions, with HTML: 11KB
Strip HTML: 5KB

Paul Lambert's reply, no HTML,
  includes Paul Spicker above Mike Brewer above John Barker: 18KB
Strip inclusions: 10KB

30 Dec:
Diana Kornbrot's reply, with HTML
  includes Paul Lambert above Paul Spicker above Mike Brewer
  above John Barker: 73KB
Strip HTML: 21KB
Strip inclusions: 4.8KB

Total weight of thread as received: 124.5KB

Weight after stripping HTML: 58KB

Weight after further stripping inclusions: 33.8KB

("Weight" includes message headers, so the savings relative to
real message content are substantially greater)

Comments
A: Messages like the above are essentially plain-text in content.
   Allowing the "HTML copy" to be attached as well adds nothing
   except bloat -- over 100% on average, and often much more.
   Consider Diana's, where the HTML occupied 52KB out of 73KB.

B: Very often, the inclusion of preceding messages in a reply
   happens as a result of the default "stacking" Reply format
   generated by software, and the writer in fact does not use
   the inclusion as a reference for points in their reply.
   So it is superfluous.

   Where the writer does need to refer explicitly to passages
   in preceding mails, this can be done by editing these so as
   to include only the relevant passages and interleaving the
   comments.

Therefore (A) avoiding the "HTML copy", and (B) judiciously
editing, or entirely omitting, the "stacked inclusions", can
save a lot of bytes when people reply. Nearly 100KB in this
short series of 5 messages.

The basis for some seasonal Good Resolutions?
Or for a Family Argument? (And don't ask me what the ideal
target for that is -- but perhaps I can try to start one
and see how keen people are).

Best wishes to all,
Ted.

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