Dear List,
On March 19, 2006 Prof. Durling wrote:
"Pradeep, your experience is similar to mine. When originally looking
> for a department in which to study for PhD, I approached two other
> universities with design departments. In both cases I was offered
> supervision by engineering departments because they had tutors with
> successful student completions and thought that 'design' is similar
> to 'engineering'. Co-supervision by the design department would have
> been by designers with no more training in research than I had (that
> is no PhD and no completions). Not only were PhD holders thin on the
> ground in design, but there seemed to be confusion between MA (taught/
> studio) supervision and PhD supervision, as though experience of MA
> necessarily equipped one for PhD supervision, which of course it does
> not."
>
>
Yes, I do agree that some times supervision within design domain could be "weak", but believe me that could be not compared with the difficulties and misunderstanding you might face if your are doing a PhD in design under a co-supervision from engineering domain. I can write a book on this!!!!
Kind regards
Mustafa Yousry
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> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design on behalf of David Durling
> Reply To: David Durling
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: "Doctor Dropout"
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> Pradeep, your experience is similar to mine. When originally looking
> for a department in which to study for PhD, I approached two other
> universities with design departments. In both cases I was offered
> supervision by engineering departments because they had tutors with
> successful student completions and thought that 'design' is similar
> to 'engineering'. Co-supervision by the design department would have
> been by designers with no more training in research than I had (that
> is no PhD and no completions). Not only were PhD holders thin on the
> ground in design, but there seemed to be confusion between MA (taught/
> studio) supervision and PhD supervision, as though experience of MA
> necessarily equipped one for PhD supervision, which of course it does
> not.
>
> I cannot say that I have tested the industrial market to see if my
> PhD is worth anything there, but I suspect that the situation in UK
> may be little different to India, USA and elsewhere.
>
> It is sometimes also distressing to meet the anti-intellectual
> brigade in universities. These are the folks who believe that what
> we teach is just fine, and we can go on teaching it because the world
> 'out there' is unchanging, and doesn't need what they regard as that
> 'theoretical' stuff that comes from the research[ing] staff.
>
> I also find that many undergraduates are almost entirely without
> knowledge of research. They may acquire some knowledge at MA level,
> and indeed some design departments are known to have offered a good
> grounding in research skills in their MA courses. It is therefore
> not surprising that few have aspirations to undertake research at a
> professional level. It is also not surprising that when they do, it
> seems most often that the primary motivator is to improve their
> design practice. Nothing wrong with this except that such a view
> severely limits the scope of research that designers may undertake.
>
> Should any of this be surprising? I think not. We are a very young >
> area for research studies to be valued by, and have worked their way
> into, the universities, consultancies, and industry. In the UK I
> guess that most new doctors in design (that is in an art/design
> context) will have begun their studies not more than 15 years ago.
> There are still relatively few on the ground, still fewer with
> substantial completions. This is why I find the advice of people
> like John Langrish so informative, as he has been supervising in this
> arena for more than 30 years. When we in design have been going for
> several more decades, I feel sure that the value placed on
> substantial research training will be recognised, and many of the
> future doctors will have influential jobs that we can barely imagine
> today.
>
> However, it is encouraging, as Pradeep says, that "a whole lot of
> Design learning youngsters interacting with me are wanting to do
> research".
>
> David Durling
>
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