I've had some involvement in the scientific investigation of Adam. If it wasn't
a ritual killing of some sort then what might it have been? That's a genuine
question, not a retorical one...
Robert Forrest
Quoting Mogg Morgan <[log in to unmask]>:
> Dear all
>
> i'd refer you to the excellent article on these terms in JSM2 -
> the author writes that magic is a persian loan word -
> later he discussed sanskrit maya - but sees no etymological connection with
> above -
> i think i'm correct to say that 'maya' famously changed its meaning,
> following the philosophical reforms of Shankararcharya -
> its original meaning of 'uncanny power' switching to the more familiar
> - and i believe Buddhist influenced 'maya' as 'illusion'
>
> 'love and do what you will'
>
> mogg
>
> ps: went to an excellent lecture by Colin Washington - who is a lukumi
> priest but with a lot of experience of western occultism (see blurb) he
> mentioned his appearance on C4 to discuss the issue of Adam as a supposed
> 'muti' killing blamed on the 'babalou?' - he explained how there was a
> specific piece of mythology to do with Ori - that contains an interdiction
> on human sacrifice with its 'historiola' - so he thought the whole thing was
> a bit of a put up job - i'm trying to get him to write some of this up for
> the next issue of our newletter mandrake speaks - but can i also recommend
> that he be invited to speak at future events - as he is v informative.
>
> 'Saturday 10th December: "Santeria: A Magical Perspective"
> Odebitola is a practical Qabalistic Adept with nearly 30 years experience
> who is also a priest in the Cuban religion of Lukumi. Tonight he will look
> at the Cuban Yoruba religion of Santeria from a magician's perspective,
> concentrating on the role of divination, dead, the role of the Orisha and
> the iwin, the stages in initiation and the grade structure and the
> differences between the practices of Nigeria, Miami and New York. He will
> also tell us why he dislikes Santeria!'
>
> pps: on cannibalism - perhaps there has been some element of denial or just
> overfamiliarity - cannibalism, in terms of myth, seems to underpin a great
> many religions. I like to remind people that some modern thelemites
> practice cannibalism that does not involve death or suffering. It also is
> the defining characteristic of sabbatic witchcraft.
>
>
> Mark,
>
> As I understand it (not being a philologist or a Sanskritist), it rather
> depends on what you mean by "derived from." There are so many other
> words and languages along the way, and no easy causality or the like.
>
> But even supposing this were the case, why does it matter? As an
> example, both "divine" and "devil" ultimately stem back to the same
> linguistic root, by way of at least one striking reversal of meaning
> among Zoroastrians (the Sanskrit _devas_ become _divs_ and switch sides,
> just as _asuras_ switch sides to become _ahuras_ in this new
> cosmological binarism).
>
> The origins of a word may be interesting, but they hardly tell us much
> about how we ought to use them as scholarly analytical categories.
>
> Chris Lehrich
>
> Mark Shekoyan wrote:
>
> >Isn't Magic derived from the sanskrit word maya? Magic
> >as the manipulation of maya???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >oo.com
> >
> >
>
> --
> Christopher I. Lehrich
> Boston University
>
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