medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
> On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 7:48 am, chris crockett wrote:
> > but, in the original documents the first "s" of "Goslinus" is
written with the non-final "s" form (what is that called, technically?) which
looks a lot like an "f" without the cross member, or an "l".
> It's called "tall 's'" (or "long 's'"). The other one is usually
called "round 's'".
if you say so.
i've never seen these terms, but, then i'm definitely among the
Palaeographically Challenged and am totally autodidacted in this area.
>Because in some scripts one or the other can be found in any position
(beginning, middle, or end -- but not lotus),
nor Missionary, either presumably.
it's been well over a decade since i did any charter work, but i can't recall
ever seeing, in the Chartrain mss of the 11th-13th cc., one of your "long ss"
at the end of a word --dul, -ensil, etc., even in the "extended letters" which
form the first line of some very, very formal (Royal, Episcopal or Comtal)
charters, eg. :
IN NOMINE SANCTAE ET INDIVIDUAE TRINITATIS AMEN...
i'm remembering that final s as a "curved s", albeit a very, very extended
one.
could be wrong.
and the "AE" is actually a "bearded E", i.e., an E with a cidilla dingus at
the bottom of it (now, what do you call *that*?)
and i'm not sure i ever saw a "final s" within a word, though i could be
mistaken about that as well.
certainly not common.
> people tend to avoid calling them "initial/medial 's'" and "terminal 's'"
(or "final 's'"), even though most of the time (in
book hands, at least), that's how they're used.
i'll stick to "final s", just to be prevert.
since it's always found there and very rarely (if ever) elsewhere in the
word.
"long s" is o.k., though it sounds sorta vowelly, to my ear.
> For Greek, however, where the corresponding letter forms are
differently shaped but where their differentiation in use is similar to
that found in the most commonly occurring Latin book hands, the
designations "initial/medial sigma" and "terminal sigma" are standard.
well, that's all Greek to me, so i don't have to bother with it.
thanks, John.
c
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