JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for PHD-DESIGN Archives


PHD-DESIGN Archives

PHD-DESIGN Archives


PHD-DESIGN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

PHD-DESIGN Home

PHD-DESIGN Home

PHD-DESIGN  2005

PHD-DESIGN 2005

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: Pre-Design?

From:

Eduardo Corte Real <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Eduardo Corte Real <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:01:33 -0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (141 lines)

Dear Fil, David and David and the neighbouring “context” lot,





Both Fil and David(Sless) underlined activities connected to design activity 
but previous to design activity in the sense that they may be performed by a 
different group of people that conducts the design activity.

So, I’m must get back to predesign and designology and some of the concepts 
about what design should be at the university. Both concepts, to my view, 
were at stake a couple of years ago during the On-Line Conference “Design at 
Irvine or Die”..

So, I must get back a little into some founding puzzles that still haunt me.



Hard is the life of the ones that dwell amongst the production of the 
artificial world.

Being so human, this activity call upon almost all Humanities and all 
Sciences and, why not, all Arts.

All (any) theoretical discourse may be pertinent for legitimising the 
actions of Designers as designers. Nevertheless, Psychology will be 
psychology without design research, or was it from the beginning a design 
theory? The same for Anthropology: If anthropology was from the beginning a 
designology, why on earth, someone decided to call it anthropology, for 
heavens sake! The list can go on forever: We cannot think a Sociology 
without any account of the artificial world (who produces it, who consumes 
it) but sociology lives very well outside the Design academic orbit.

Communication Sciences, historically recent and fresh, are also living very 
well outside our design research universe.

Philosophy! Since Plato’s pleas about visuality inside a republican/reality 
cave was doomed to make it a Design Theory.

Theology: Why did God designed nipples in men or small bushes? They seem to 
have no purpose…



Well my problem is very simple, after all: I’m running a school at 
university level. So, besides teaching students how to behave looking like 
designers in the outside world, I must know what the limits are for what is 
reasonable to call research. Putting aside an institutional theory about it 
that would state: Research is what institutions devoted to research say that 
research is, and putting also aside what other disciplines say research is, 
because I want to develop design research and not just research, I would 
come to a first limiting situation that I would call Ethical. Asking, 
therefore, the question: What kind of research is it legitimate for a 
university design school to conduct?

In a sense I’m asking also what kind of work will my institution will accept 
as PhD research projects or MPhil research project (There is no tradition of 
MAs in Portugal).

Well, first of all, we will accept work that will help to build a 
“designoloy”(A science that studies design as an activity and the 
identifiable features in things relatable to design). That would take care 
of the Phil part of it.

Second, we will accept work that will contribute for better design 
performance (determined by the possibility or existence of design work) BUT 
will stop before design itself.

Once more my own experience: When we got the funding for the research on 
signalisation in hospitals, part of the team wanted to finish the work by 
doing the actual design of a signage system for at least one hospital. More: 
one of the hospitals wanted us to design a signage system for them. I said: 
here is where we stop. We will not go outside competing with the ones we 
have educated. We have already done something to help them to make design 
decisions not only on an empirical basis.

Of course, large companies can do what we have done (for instance, we “used” 
150 students for conducting surveys and queries) but I don’t mind to compete 
with them. In fact, large design companies, normally hire other firms to do 
such work. Research firms, or survey firms or whatever. Why do I don’t mind 
to compete with research and surveys companies?

Because researching and surveying is one of the items that will evaluate my 
school’s performance in the end.

Why do I mind to compete with design studios and design professionals?

Because the performance of professionals that my school has graduated will 
count for the evaluation my school in the sense that if they are successful 
that success is partly due to their education.

That’s why all kinds of pre design are interesting for me.

Nevertheless this crudité, my favourite kind of predesign is anything that 
is inspiring, that one keeps as a secret, which one can secretly refer as 
the triggering point for a good design solution like cleaning the studio 
with a mop gazing at the squeezed wet spiral on the bucket.



Well, cheers,



Have a nice weekend,



Eduardo



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Sless" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pre-Design?


>
David asked:
> Pre- design? What's that? Helps the design project? or its a project
> inside the project?

I think this might be what we call, in our own terminology, scoping.
But I'm not entirely sure.
Fillipo's and Eduardo's posts seem to confirm this.

David
-- 
Professor David Sless BA MSc FRSA
Director • Communication Research Institute of Australia
• helping people communicate with people •

60 Park Street • Fitzroy North • Melbourne • Australia • 3068

Mobile: +61 (0)412 356 795
Phone: +61 (0)3 9489 8640
web:    http://www.communication.org.au 

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager