Hi,

In partial answer to Sam's question...  there are lots of other great 
and open/unmoderated online lists which allow (or are created for!) 
announcements and 'general posts about current shows' - such as Spectre 
(here in Europe) or Rhizome (more in North America) but there are still 
remarkably few lists that support the development of the practice of 
curating and discussion around the issues of curating - media art or 
art formerly known as new media, or art after new media or 
whatever/other. CRUMB tries to stay on the side of the latter, rather 
than compete in the same terrain as the former. so in our minds, an 
announcement about a show opening is not necessarily as valid as a 
review of it, especially if the review mentions some 'issue' to do with 
the curating / production / presentation of the work -- which is why 
self-reviewing is so welcome here. ;-) In the past we've let curators 
post notices about their own shows, so long as they editorialise and 
include a comment about why it is relevant to this forum - i.e. what 
they want to discuss in relation to it (and I don't mean 'hey, tell me 
if you like my show'). I myself have often posted notices about 
conferences/events pertaining to new media to prompt anyone on the list 
who might be going to report back about it, especially if it is 
particularly relevant to one of our monthly theme-d discussions (Ele, 
we're still waiting for your report from the indy media conference at 
Cornerhouse!). These critical reports we all crave might go some way to 
us all discovering what new media actually is. Although I'm never 
entirely sure that that is a goal of this list anyway. Discovering what 
curating entails and how new media illuminates/challenges/messes about 
with that is though. ;-)

So, at the risk of breaking our own vaguely defined rules, below is an 
announcement which I, as list co-moderator, would suggest is valid here 
as it pertains to curatorial professional development -- it's not for a 
show but for a discussion of curating and criticism of new media, 
taking place in New York. Anyone going who can report back?
;-)

Sorry for all the emoticons.
Lovingly yours,
Sarah

P.S. We have often been asked if we'll set up a crumb2 list just for 
announcement type postings - a practical back-channel for curators to 
exchange info on who/what/where/when. often these suggestions come from 
curators who want to be able to discuss things without artists being in 
the room, which we find a wee bit problematic in our modern day spirit 
of file-sharing. there are 600+ of you on this list... is that really 
something you feel could be useful? Do you want another list to read? 
Or do we continue to let the odd relevant announcement slip through 
into our thematic discussions to spark further debate? It's all about 
the filter.

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NOT FOR SALE: Writing About Performance and New Media
Curators, Critics and Writers Discuss the Art of Writing about 
Performance and New Media.


Saturday, November 12, 2005, 1:15–5:00 PM
New York University, Former Bottomline/ Yalincak Family Foundation 
Auditorium 
19 West 4th Street on the corner of Mercer
Free- Reception to follow.


PERFORMA is pleased to present the fourth installment of NOT FOR SALE: 
Writing on Performance and New Media, in conjunction with New York 
University, Steinhardt School of Education, Department of Art and Art 
Professions, and as part of PERFORMA05, the first biennial of new 
visual art performance in New York City. The event is free and open to 
the public, and will take place at New York University. NOT FOR SALE: 
Writing on Performance and New Media is a dynamic continuation of the 
discussion on performance and its relationship to the museum, gallery, 
and collector. The two-part symposium comprised of a distinguished 
panel of critics and curators will offer an in-depth view of 
contemporary developments in writings on ephemeral works of art that 
encompass several creative disciplines. 

SESSION I: Curating (and Writing on) Performance in the 21st Century 
1:30–3:00 PM
More and more contemporary artists from around the world make live art 
and performance-related film and video, as well as installation art, 
with an ever-increasing presence in museums and galleries. How does the 
current generation of curators, critics, and writers tackle curating 
and writing about performance differently from the past? In what way 
has the relationship between the artist, curator, and museum changed 
over the past decade? A panel of critics and curators will discuss the 
art of curating performance today.
Catherine Wood, Curator, Tate Modern, London
Katy Siegel, Art historian, Curator and Critic 
Phillippe Vergne, Chief Curator, Walker Art Center, Minneapolis
Moderated by Cay Sophie Rabinowitz, Senior Editor, Parkett

SESSION II: Writing (and Reviewing) Across Borders–Performance and New 
Media 3:30–5:00 PM
Critics and writers on art today need to be well versed in many 
languages including film, dance, literature, music, architecture and 
new media. How does an author write across disciplines? How much 
background in each individual history does a writer need in order to 
illuminate this multidisciplinary work and to explain its relevance in 
a broader cultural context to ever-evolving audiences? A panel of 
critics and writers will explore these questions as they relate to the 
research, development, and presentation of visual art performance.
Margo Jefferson, Writer and Critic
John Rockwell, Dance Critic, The New York Times
Linda Yablonsky, Novelist and Critic
Bennett Simpson, Associate Curator, ICA Boston
Moderated by RoseLee Goldberg, Founder and Director of PERFORMA

ABOUT:
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Professions is committed to the construction of new knowledge through 
the creation of art and innovative academic research. The Department 
brings students, practicing artists, educators, and art professionals 
together in a richly interactive, multidisciplinary community that 
fosters imaginative art-making and intellectual exchange.
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On 8 Nov 2005, at 14:40, sam ayres wrote:

> Why what's the problem?
>
> I've been on this list for over six months and still can't actually 
> work out
> what 'new media art actually' is. Seriously.
>
> I think general posts about current shows, is as valid as a review 
> about
> one. Or am I missing something?