Surely these bodies should be campaigning for library staff, as you say
there is not one cross sector union that will takes us all.
Richard Talbot
Data Protection Adviser
QinetiQ Ltd
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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Sent: 17 February 2005 16:55
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Subject: Re: [LIS-CILIP] Campaigning for librarians
Katherine,
The problem is there is no union for librarians. Librarians work across
sectors. That is why we do look to CILIP to support us.
Unfortunately, CILIP does not know how to campaign for its membership. For
example by putting a web page on http://www.cilip.org.uk/default.cilip that
is like http://www.bangor.ac.uk/is/iss069/website/news.htm, which would help
the CILIP membership to work together for colleagues.
Instead CILIP does something rather vague and inadequate called advocacy.
Personally, I did move from Unison to the AUT because I felt they were
campaigning for librarians last year. They seem to be having a good go this
year.
Neil
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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Sent: 17 February 2005 16:34
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Subject: Re: Campaigning for librarians
Thank you (both) for your response.
Would you recommend that librarians join the AUT (or PROSPECT) rather than
the union that has collective bargaining in their organisation (in my case
BECTU) because they *are* campaigning for libraries? (which BECTU isn't -
and might argue, why should it when its members are mostly film, tv and
theatre production craft personnel?).
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 17 February 2005 16:27
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Subject: Re: Campaigning for librarians
Hi Katherine,
Well, I suppose the main activity in higher education is research. It's not
that different to architecture, not really.
The point is, people on lis-cilip seem to want an organisation that
campaigns for them. The AUT is doing this for librarians in Bangor at the
moment.
You can look at the web site and see how this works:
http://www.bangor.ac.uk/is/iss069/website/news.htm
In Bob McKee's Wednesday the 16th message he talked about all of us having
the responsibility to help our colleagues.
I think the AUT page demonstrates how an organisation helps individuals to
help colleagues in the same profession; from what I can see it is doing a
much better job of defening the rights of its professionals (whatever you
mean by that) than CILIP.
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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Sent: 17 February 2005 15:28
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Subject: Re: Campaigning for librarians
Without wanting to denigrate the importance of trade unions we should make a
distinction - they represent employees of an organisation (of whatever
profession) whereas CILIP represents members of a profession. If you work
for a learning organisation like a University this might be a small
difference, but if you are a library in an organisation where the main
activity is eg architecture or law the trade union may not be the library's
friend. In fact, they may be prepared to sacrifice non-core information
workers for the sake of a better deal for their core workers. Only a
professional organisation like CILIP can defend the rights of its
professionals.
I thought it was notable in the recent Today programme interview about the
Science Museum's funding crisis that the union rep didn't mention the
library cuts at all and didn't make any comeback when the manager said that
they were inevitable.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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Sent: 17 February 2005 12:58
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Subject: Campaigning for librarians
Hi,
People who want to campaign for librarians and library and information
services can forget about CILIP and use this web site:
http://www.bangor.ac.uk/is/iss069/website/news.htm
What are you waiting for?
Neil Smyth,
Chair Career Development Group Wales.
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