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Subject:

Re: Change in job title

From:

"Bolton, Barbara" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Bolton, Barbara

Date:

Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:07:35 +0100

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My thoughts as someone who has sat on several job matching panels is that
the JDs are the key, either a weakness or strength.

I think it is important to accurately reflect the persons job content in
their job description, if the JD is vague then probably a match to a
clerical post could happen but l am surprised as the profiles for Libray
Technician are available and should have been sent to your Job Matching
Panel.

 Do your assistants check databases for bibliographic references or have any
duties involving receipt of monies or desktop publishing of leaflets or
contributing to web pages or carrying out inductions or training in
retrieving bibliographical references this type of work is different to
clerical posts.

 The library assistants here give inductions and are given responsibilities
over and above clerical receptionist posts. They are also responsible for
display work and helping users with Microsoft office problems and printing
problems as well as opening and closing the department.

I think job content is key and not job title, the content will dictate where
the panel goes to find a match. Having said 
this however I wait with trepidation to see how my staff will be matched, my
theories may be blown away.
Regards
Barbara


Barbara Bolton BA PGD MSC MCLIP
Clinical Library Services Manager
Library Services Team Leader Dudley Health Community
Clinical Library Services
1st Floor
C Block
Russells Hall Hospital
Dudley
West Midlands DY1 2HQ
01384 321092


Barbara Bolton
Clinical Library Services Manager
Library Services Team Leader Dudley Health Community
Clinical Library Services
1st Floor
C Block
Russells Hall Hospital
Dudley
West Midlands DY1 2HQ
01384 321092

Trust Website: http://www.dudley.nhs.uk
The National Electronic Library for Health, a national site recommended for
health care staff is available from
http://www.nelh.nhs.uk providing: a care pathways database, guidelines,
clinical databases, the BNF plus many more health knowledge resources.
Eventually there will be a new interface under the title of National library
for Health at http://www.library.nhs.uk

To renew library books you need your PIN number and library user ID log onto
http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb from an NHS computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Mortimer, Carol [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 04 August 2005 16:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title


 The agenda for change panel ignored the national profiles for my library
assistants and matched them against "Clerical Officer(reception) and put
them in Band 2. Their response (so far) has been that  they do not have to
look at a published profile if they can find something else which they
consider is similar.

How have other people fared?

Carol Mortimer 
Library Manager 
Library and Information Service 
The Terence Mortimer Postgraduate Education Centre
The Horton Hospital, Oxford Road, BANBURY, Oxon OX16 9AL 

Tel: 01295 229316 
Fax: 01295 229324 

email:  [log in to unmask] 
        or  for general enquiries: [log in to unmask] 
          http://www.library-horton.demon.co.uk 



-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Prue
Sent: 04 August 2005 16:25
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title

John,

I certainly agree that this is a issue that seriously affects the future of
the profession.

Part of the solution must be for the profession to begin promoting its
organisational value to those that hold the purse strings. Without winning
the hearts and minds of those who can, this is going to drag on and on as an
issue. The conclusion to which could very well be terminal!!

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Gale
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title


I'm sorry if I've caused any offence - I've worked alongside some very
capable library assistants and I meant no reflection on the people who might
apply for that job. I expressed myself in a light-hearted way but the fact
remains (in abstract terms of course, not personal ones) how are we as a
profession going to recruit high-calibre people to work in Central London
for £14-17 K ? I know there are all sorts of other factors behind choice of
job/career etc but my ire was directed solely at people who expect
graduate/postgraduate performance/calibre at school-leaver pay levels. Now
that *is* a serious issue.

Quoting "Gray, Geraldine" <[log in to unmask]>:

> Never mind Library Assistants, I'm sure there are many Chartered
Librarians
> in that range  too for all sorts of reasons personal, family 
> commitments inability to move geographically etc.
>
> I'm sure the poster meant no offence to possible applicants only those 
> who set salaries at such low levels and then expect the earth!
>
> Geraldine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hilton Boon Michele [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 04 August 2005 14:50
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Change in job title
>
>
> I don't know - isn't it inherently offensive to suggest that people 
> who
earn
> and are willing to accept £14,094 - £16,087 p.a. likely can't 'string 
> a sentence together'?  As is the suggestion that salary is an 
> indication of ability/intelligence?  However, I'm sure the poster didn't
mean to offend.
>
> This discussion is worthwhile if it makes people examine their 
> assumptions about the staff they manage.  Also, Deborah Shorley 
> suggested at Umbrella that our obsession with job titles and salaries 
> impedes our progress as a profession and I think this thread illustrates
her point well.
>
> In my experience a lot of library assistants are in that salary range 
> and are more than capable of expressing themselves well and going on 
> to
greater
> things.
>
> Just my 2p
>
> Michele
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Merriott Sue
> Sent: 04 August 2005 14:38
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Change in job title
>
>
> John wasn't being rude or sarcastic about anyone in particular, so I 
> don't think point 4 applies!
>
> There are often strings that are of no interest to me and I find a 
> waste
of
> time, so I just delete them.
>
> I have found this string all very amusing, but my personal 
> interpretation sees it as a rueful expression of a general irritation 
> amongst health librarians, NHS in particular, at some of the changes 
> being inflicted upon the profession and services, (not to mention our 
> way of life) not always
for
> the better!
>
> Sue
>
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Keep up to date with mental health at http://mentalhealthupdate.blogspot.com
John Gale
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020 8776 4817

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