My thoughts as someone who has sat on several job matching panels is that the JDs are the key, either a weakness or strength. I think it is important to accurately reflect the persons job content in their job description, if the JD is vague then probably a match to a clerical post could happen but l am surprised as the profiles for Libray Technician are available and should have been sent to your Job Matching Panel. Do your assistants check databases for bibliographic references or have any duties involving receipt of monies or desktop publishing of leaflets or contributing to web pages or carrying out inductions or training in retrieving bibliographical references this type of work is different to clerical posts. The library assistants here give inductions and are given responsibilities over and above clerical receptionist posts. They are also responsible for display work and helping users with Microsoft office problems and printing problems as well as opening and closing the department. I think job content is key and not job title, the content will dictate where the panel goes to find a match. Having said this however I wait with trepidation to see how my staff will be matched, my theories may be blown away. Regards Barbara Barbara Bolton BA PGD MSC MCLIP Clinical Library Services Manager Library Services Team Leader Dudley Health Community Clinical Library Services 1st Floor C Block Russells Hall Hospital Dudley West Midlands DY1 2HQ 01384 321092 Barbara Bolton Clinical Library Services Manager Library Services Team Leader Dudley Health Community Clinical Library Services 1st Floor C Block Russells Hall Hospital Dudley West Midlands DY1 2HQ 01384 321092 Trust Website: http://www.dudley.nhs.uk The National Electronic Library for Health, a national site recommended for health care staff is available from http://www.nelh.nhs.uk providing: a care pathways database, guidelines, clinical databases, the BNF plus many more health knowledge resources. Eventually there will be a new interface under the title of National library for Health at http://www.library.nhs.uk To renew library books you need your PIN number and library user ID log onto http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb from an NHS computer. -----Original Message----- From: Mortimer, Carol [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 04 August 2005 16:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title The agenda for change panel ignored the national profiles for my library assistants and matched them against "Clerical Officer(reception) and put them in Band 2. Their response (so far) has been that they do not have to look at a published profile if they can find something else which they consider is similar. How have other people fared? Carol Mortimer Library Manager Library and Information Service The Terence Mortimer Postgraduate Education Centre The Horton Hospital, Oxford Road, BANBURY, Oxon OX16 9AL Tel: 01295 229316 Fax: 01295 229324 email: [log in to unmask] or for general enquiries: [log in to unmask] http://www.library-horton.demon.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Prue Sent: 04 August 2005 16:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title John, I certainly agree that this is a issue that seriously affects the future of the profession. Part of the solution must be for the profession to begin promoting its organisational value to those that hold the purse strings. Without winning the hearts and minds of those who can, this is going to drag on and on as an issue. The conclusion to which could very well be terminal!! Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Gale Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:00 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title I'm sorry if I've caused any offence - I've worked alongside some very capable library assistants and I meant no reflection on the people who might apply for that job. I expressed myself in a light-hearted way but the fact remains (in abstract terms of course, not personal ones) how are we as a profession going to recruit high-calibre people to work in Central London for £14-17 K ? I know there are all sorts of other factors behind choice of job/career etc but my ire was directed solely at people who expect graduate/postgraduate performance/calibre at school-leaver pay levels. Now that *is* a serious issue. Quoting "Gray, Geraldine" <[log in to unmask]>: > Never mind Library Assistants, I'm sure there are many Chartered Librarians > in that range too for all sorts of reasons personal, family > commitments inability to move geographically etc. > > I'm sure the poster meant no offence to possible applicants only those > who set salaries at such low levels and then expect the earth! > > Geraldine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hilton Boon Michele [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 04 August 2005 14:50 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Change in job title > > > I don't know - isn't it inherently offensive to suggest that people > who earn > and are willing to accept £14,094 - £16,087 p.a. likely can't 'string > a sentence together'? As is the suggestion that salary is an > indication of ability/intelligence? However, I'm sure the poster didn't mean to offend. > > This discussion is worthwhile if it makes people examine their > assumptions about the staff they manage. Also, Deborah Shorley > suggested at Umbrella that our obsession with job titles and salaries > impedes our progress as a profession and I think this thread illustrates her point well. > > In my experience a lot of library assistants are in that salary range > and are more than capable of expressing themselves well and going on > to greater > things. > > Just my 2p > > Michele > > -----Original Message----- > From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Merriott Sue > Sent: 04 August 2005 14:38 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Change in job title > > > John wasn't being rude or sarcastic about anyone in particular, so I > don't think point 4 applies! > > There are often strings that are of no interest to me and I find a > waste of > time, so I just delete them. > > I have found this string all very amusing, but my personal > interpretation sees it as a rueful expression of a general irritation > amongst health librarians, NHS in particular, at some of the changes > being inflicted upon the profession and services, (not to mention our > way of life) not always for > the better! > > Sue > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. 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