medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Quoting richard landes <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> first of all, this is not about the early compilations, but about
> post-eusebian ones. secondly the expression "most" is used because, as
> you point out, we don't have complete mss until late. thirdly the
> comment on its being out from the 4th-12th cn is based on scholarly
> literature that has, supposedly researched it, and also on the absence
> of any passages from Rev in the greek liturgy. but i agree, please,
> can we hear from byzantinists on this?
> >
VKI: Okay, I'll wait for the Byzantinists too. But I remain skeptical until we
have some sources.
> > 2) Where then does the millenialism come from that was so clearly
> > voiced around
> > Y1K in documents such as 'Wulfstan's Address to the English?' Why did
> > they
> > think that there was something likely to fulfill prophecy in the year
> > 1,000?
>
> wulfstan's address is not millennial it's apocalyptic. he, in good
> augustinian fashion, did not expect the millennium in the year 1000,
> but the end of the [invisible] millennium as augustine argued in the
> city of god -- antichrist, armaggedon, last judgment, not heaven on
> earth. if you want further on this, i recommend two new books on
> apocalyptic and the year 1000, one by me, one by Michael Frassetto.
> >
VKI: I agree that Wulfstan saw the Christian Church Age as the Millennium and
saw it as coming to a close about 1000 AD not at all beginning in 1,000 AD as
present day premillenialists saw the possibility of a millennium beginning in
2,000 AD. But why does this make him apocalyptic and not millennial? This is
hair splitting. They were being apoclyptic specifically because they were
millenialists--today they would be called post-millenial by those who classify
various millenialists. Please e-mail me the titles of the two books you talk
about.
> > What would be very interesting would be if we could find some support
> > and
> > evidence that the millenialism did not come directly from the book of
> > Revelation as is generally believed! This is possible as the 1,000
> > years
> > appears to me to be another of those pre-Christian ideas which were
> > subsumed
> > by the early church.
>
> what do you mean subsumed. it was taken up,
[ VKI: Yes, 'taken up' that's what I mean by subsumed.]
esp in the form of the
> sabbatical millennium (6000 years of travail, a sabbatical millennium
> of peace), which is probably where John gets the figure from.
> >
> > What other medieval documents talk about 1,000 year millenial period
> > or as if a
> > 1,000 year period were coming to a close with Y1K, which might not
> > have come
> > from the book of Revelation?
>
> lots. read the books. check my article in Speculum 2000.
VKI: I will. E-mail me the titles of the books please. Somehow I missed them.
>
> r
> >
> > --V. K. Inman
> >
>
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