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My own work in this area has been concerned with fights between parishes
& the mendicant orders over fees & offerings. Aside from the money,
there were issues of "turf," friars doing pastors' work.
BTW Does anyone know what the canonical status of a separate
necropolis, like the Campo Santo in Pisa, might have been? Was it tied
to the cathedral?
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Hi Leah. I guess my point was that these places were NOT
consecrated--people were just being "planted" wherever convenient, not
necessarily in holy ground. The insistence on burial in consecrated
ground
comes a bit later--eleventh century or so--and in my cynical view, is
closely associated with the regulation of burial fees, which become
required of parishioners at that time. Best, Megan
At 02:41 PM 10/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>Megan--do you have a source for the consecration ritual for exterior
>places, such as fields? I recall reading in Martene's Ritibus about
>clergy making processions around the area to be consecrated, praying
>and planting or burying crosses at the corners (4, I guess) and in
the
>center of the area. I would assume there was a common practice
>(variable according to place/tradition) that would parallel the
ancient
>ritual for the consecration of a church (interior space).
>
>Leah Rutchick
>
>
>Quoting Megan McLaughlin <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> >
> > Not to be immodest (again), but I have a long section on the
location
> > of
> > Christian burials in late antiquity and the early middle ages in
my
> > book,
> > Consorting with Saints: Prayer for the Dead in Early Medieval
> > France
> > (Cornell, 1994)--to make a long story short, as late as the 9th
> > century,
> > the dead were not always buried in consecrated ground. In fact,
> > consecrated cemeteries were not always available in rural
> > communities, so
> > burials took place in fields, family plots, etc. Best, Megan
> >
> >
> > At 06:22 PM 10/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> > >A partial answer for Meg aobout early Christian burial. A good
book
> > for
> > >more information, not so much for consecration matters but for
> > burial
> > >stuff is Habenstein, Robert and Lamers, William. The History of
> > American
> > >Funeral Directing. Milwaukee: National Funeral Directors
> > Association,
> > >1985. You might check the phone book to see if there is a
mortuary
> > >college near you as they should have this book and more
information
> > as well.
> > >
> > >He quotes a book by O'Rieley (I can give the certs if anyone
needs
> > them)
> > >who says:
> > >For the burial of her dead, the church has always prescribed the
> > settig
> > >apaert and designation of places suitable for the tombs and
graves.
> > ...
> > >the lawe of the church demands that the place set aside for their
> > >interment should obtain a special religious significance. The
> > >ground,.......was alwaysconsidered as sacred and was deputed so
by
> > suitble
> > >religiousrites when such were possible. These designated
locations
> > wre
> > >such as the customs and times preferred."
> > >
> > >So, yes there would have been some form of consecration.
> > >
> > >The earliest Christian burials from apostolic times to the
> > persecution of
> > >Dormition were in family vaults erected along the roads leading
from
> > great
> > >cities. A sanitary rule from one of the laws of the Twelve
Tablets
> > forbad
> > >cremation or burial inside the city and this held true for
> > >severalcenturies \. Then you have the period of the catacombs.
> > Catacombs
> > >were constructed in other countries as well. At the end of the
4th
> > century
> > >when the great persecutrions ended, it was in vogue for outdoor
> > "open air"
> > >cemeteries both in Rome and, archaeologists have found, in
> > >Africa. Although Roman law stilmandated utside city walls, most
of
> > the
> > >Christian ones were inside and near churches. (so, not all next
to
> > churches).
> > >Habenstein points out that funeral practices were greatly
influenced
> > by
> > >the cultures locally.
> > >
> > >The bibliography of this book is very extensive and there are
> > several
> > >books on early Christian burial listed. Also, Philip Aires book
on
> > death
> > >would be a good resource.
> > >
> > >Hope this helps a little
> > >ann
> >
>
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