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I'll also hear about the difference between "peak" and "peek."
MG
-- Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Anything but "reconciled...TO..." (one is reconciled to a disastrous situation or miserable fate; one is reconciled WITH a person) and "YOURSELF" (the reflexive pronoun must be the same person as the subject of the clause in which it is used).
What you offer is fine with me. Unfortunately ICEL did not ask for my opinion; I am coming at this from a strictly grammatical point of view. I leave the theology of the translation up to the theologians. I humbly suggest that they would do well to allow a grammarian a peak at their handiwork. And I'm sure I'll hear from Bill on this one.
MG
-- Terrill Heaps <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Marjorie Greene wrote:
> Unless I have my Mass parts all mixed up, one of the prefaces contains the grotesque phrase: "...the victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself." Please do something with this monstrosity...
Prex Eucharistica III Novus Ordo version:
"Réspice, quáesumus, in oblatiónem Ecclésiae tuae
et, agnóscens Hóstiam, cuius voluísti immolatióne
placári, concéde, ut qui Córpore et Sánguine Fílii
tui refícimur, Spíritu eius Sancto repléti, unum
corpus et unus spíritus inveniámur in Christo."
"Dick & Jane" version (ICEL text)
"Look with favor on your Church’s offering, and see the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself. Grant that we, who are nourished by his body and blood, may be filled with his Holy Spirit,
and become one body, one spirit in Christ."
Marjorie, could you at least live with my "quick & dirty" :) version:
Favourably regard, we beseech you, the oblation of your Church, and
behold the Victim, whose sacrifice you deigned to count as satisfaction; and grant to us who are fed by the Body and Blood of your Son, so to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and that we may discern
the one body and one spirit in Christ.
The second part of the portion of Euch. Canon III in question is distinctly reminiscent of the "supplices te rogamus" part of the Canon, in the Missal, of the Anglican Catholic Church:
". . . humbly beseeching thee, that we, and all others who shall be partakers of this Holy Communion, may worthily receive the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son Jesus Christ, be filled with the
grace and heavenly benediction, and made one body with him, that he may dwell in us, and we in him."
". . . humiliter obsecrantes ut quotquot participes sumus huius sacrosanctae communionis, sacrosanctum Filii tui Iesu Christi Corpus et Sanguinem digne sumpserimus, tua gratia et caelesti
benedictione repleamur, et unum corpus cum ipso fiamus, ut in nobis maneat, et nos in illo."
Cheers,
Terrill
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