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Much of this had to do with implications for the Church; see Scott
Hendrix, "In quest of the vera ecclesia," Viator 7 (1976): 347-78. Juan
de Torquemada thought an emphasis on the elect could create uncertainty
among the faithful; see my Protector of the Faith (Catholic U of
America Press, 1981).
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Good point.
Agostino Favaroni's condemantion should be seen as part of the
controversy over predestination occuring among university theologians.
He was not condemend as a heretic. One of his books was condemend for
heretical teachings, which puts him in very good comapny. Nor was his
doctrine of predestination proper condemend as heretical, but some
implications of it that he drew out in the condemned book.
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Predestination was controversial in that period, see (for
example) the
condemnation of Agostino Favaroni in Session 22 of the Council
of Basel;
Conciliorum oecumenicorum decreta, ed. G. Alberigo et al., 3rd
ed.
(Bologna, 1973), pp. 492-94.
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Predestination would certainly not have been regarded as
heretical in
14th
century England--I have just been working on this! Good
timing!
William
Langland (1332-86), author of THE VISION OF PIERS PLOWMAN has
generally
been
seen as a "reformer" in the general sense of that term, but
ultimately
an
orthodox (small 'O') catholic. In Passus X, lines 374-75, he
says,
"...that I
man maad was, and my name yentred In the legende of lif longe er
I
were, Or
ellis unwriten for som wikkednesse, as Holy Writ witnesseth..."
[I was
made a
man, and my name was entered into the Book of Life long before I
was.
Or else,
it was not written for some wickedness as scripture witnesses.]
The
question
regarding Langland is whether or not he was semi-Pelagian, but
it seems
that
however he believed salvation was acquired, it was determined
long
before he
was born. This view appears to have not gotten him in trouble.
As for the Lollards, I cannot find a long passage on
predestination,
but there are some references in the context of discussions on
other
matters
which seem to indicate a belief in predestination. A good one is
in a
sermon on
the prodigal son, "God oure fadir seeth us afer, long bifore
that we
commen to
him, for by mercy that he hath he moveth us to do thus." [God
our
Father looks
after us long before we come to him, because he moves us to come
to him
through
mercy.](Selections from English Wycliffite Writings, University
of
Toronto
Press, p. 54.)
Remember that the Lollards were against indulgences,
pilgrimages, and
prayers
for the dead, a stance which concievably predestination can be
viewed
as
supporting. The condemnations of the Lollards do not mention
predestination as
a heresy. If the Lollards were more specific in supporting
predestination, it
was either accepted as orthodox or their other views were seen
as more
dangerous.
Does this help?
V.K.Inman, M.Div, Th.M. M.A.
University of Pennsylvania
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> Greetings
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> I was wondering if anyone could direct me towards any books
or
primary texts
> which detail the Lollard view of Predestination.
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> >From what I have looked at so far, I can't really tell if
the
Lollards
> believed in this concept, or whether it would regarded as
heretical
in 14th
> century England.
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> Thank you.
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