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Subject:

Re: amended links

From:

Duncan Williamson <[log in to unmask]>

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Plagiarism <[log in to unmask]>, Duncan Williamson <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:00:22 +0100

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Can someone remind me how we got into THAT particular mess? This is
definitely the lawsuit culture gone wild. Is there anyone on this list who
ever dreamed of such a situation whilst they were students themselves? Did
any of us ever imagine the need to ask students' permission to make
teachers' and examiners' lives easier by allowing them to photocopy our work
or store it on a computer ... ?

I just don't get this one!

I wonder just how well protected I am vis a vis my lecture notes, the
solutions to questions that I have prepared and handed out IN GOOD FAITH;
the materials on my web site ... ? I wonder if I can take a student or
visitor to court for some spurious reason connected to that? Apart from
blatant breach of copyright and plagiarism, that is. Suppose there is a
visitor to my site whom I dislike, can I sue them for using my materials
whilst allowing visitors whom I do like unfettered access and use?


Duncan


Duncan,

The issue of copyright is relevant to the electronic detection of
plagiarism. Earlier this year, a student I had caught in this way raised
the question of whether the permission he had signed covered that
particular script (it did).

It's also worth noting that students' essays can't be photocopied
without their permission (though, as you say, they are unlikely to
complain).

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: Plagiarism [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Duncan
Williamson
Sent: 18 September 2004 07:42
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: amended links


That's pretty much my definition, Kevin; but thanks for clarifying what
the
goodly Prof said.

Without wishing to sound arrogant and/or dismissive, in response to
other
replies to this thread, is copyright of students' work a real issue?
Under
what conditions are students worried about an infringement of their
copyright? Under what conditions are educational establishments likely
to
infringe students' copyright?

On the occasions when I have published anything that relates to student
work
I always get their permission and add their name to the list of authors
and
collaborators ... is that enough? I've never done such a thing for
commercial gain, by the way, so doesn't that make life easier too?

Duncan

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Foreman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 17 September 2004 10:15
Subject: amended links

I was at Prof Oppenheim's talk and it was very interesting.  He
defined 'substantial' as how important it was to the piece of work.  By
that he meant for example if you were reading a book and it was a 'who
dunnit' and you got to the last page where the 'murderer' was going to
be
revealed but the name had been omitted for some reason, then that would
be
regarded as 'substantial'.

Prof Oppenheim's opinion was that the concept of 'substantial' didn't
equate with 'volume', but did equate with 'significance'.

Kevin Foreman

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