Klaus,
I can't let it go. Language is an abstract logical
system that objectifies what it represents. It is, of
course, a looser logical system that allows you to
negotiate the meaning of its terms and rules. But to
"language" at all is to "withdraw into (an) abstract
logical system" of a sort in which we each negotiate
the meaning we individually take away from the
interaction of the objects we create. You taught me
that.
Why isn't consistency as valuable as completeness when
being objective? I know, from a cognitive perspective,
it is a victim of negotiation and shifts in stance but
so is completeness. Maybe that is that what you mean
when you say "neither". It is the "not necessarily"
object that I'm negotiating the meaning of. Actually,
you may have already answered this to some degree in
your second paragraph if I mull it out.
Best
Chuck
Dr. Charles Burnette
234 South Third Street
Philadelphia, PA 19106
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Subject: Re: parts, wholes, reflection, etc.
as all abstractions are based on the omission of
details and particularly on
denying a voice to those being theorized, logic does
not escape that fate.
you mentioned that set theory is a system that can be
either incomplete and
consistent or complete and inconsistent. true. this
is goedel's theory and
is applicable to all logical systems of some
complexity. your's part/whole
logic will not excape that
i prefer not to develop and withdraw into abstract
logical systems.
instead, i like to listen to what is going on or try
to understand what it
means for me to participate in conversations.
participation implicates a
part/whole relationship but one that is continually
being negotiated,
thriving neither to completeness and not necessarily
consistency
klaus krippendorff
gregory bateson term professor for cybernetics,
language, and culture
the annenberg school for communication
university of pennsylvania
3620 walnut street
philadelphia, pa 19104.6220
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