dear jan - may i have the recipe for mixing rice and potatoes? i would love to try to make it to see if it tastes as good, better, different or whatever... by the way, judging the taste rather than the principle is the last point of my previous message... what do we have to lose?  a bowl of rice and a bag of potatoes?  rosan

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Von:     Jan Coker <[log in to unmask]>
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Datum:   15.09.2004 08:04
Betreff: Re: DDR4 Procs.

> Tagging on to what Rosan had to say about rice and potatoes:
> 
> 
> 
> The differences between people are often what makes the array of humanity
> vibrant. When we are looking to solve a problem or design something which
> will
> be used by many people who are different it seems most productive to me to
> accept that individual and different perceptions of what is and what it
> means
> can enhance the dialog in collaboration. Sometimes decisions need to be made
> to
> develop a solution, there is a big difference between looking at something
> as a
> choice between two binary and different understandings and looking at
> something
> as an expanded understanding which includes several or many understandings
> and
> gleaning from them a collaborative sense of what can be done without
> disenfranchising one group over another. In other words something can be
> this
> AND that, rather than this OR that.
> 
> 
> 
> As for rice and potatoes, in Australia the chefs are particularly good at
> blending this and that to come up with a new (and wonderful) taste. So we
> can
> have rice and potatoes, rice made like potatoes, potatoes made like rice,
> and
> something completely different. This has been much more interesting and
> tastier
> than rice or potatoes.
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> Jan Coker
> 
> C3-10 Underdale
> 
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> 
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> 
> Relativity teaches us the connection between the different descriptions of
> one
> and the same reality
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rosan Chow [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 1:12 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: DDR4 Procs.
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Alec and others
> 
> I was absent at DDR4 but submitted a viewpoint. After reading the lovely
> proceedings, I would like to add a concluding point here as I didn't have a
> chance to do so then.
> 
> RICE AND POTATO: THEIR RELATION AND ITS IMPLICATION FOR DESIGN RESEARCH
> What is the difference between rice and potato? Rice is white and potato is
> yellow. No, this is not the point both are food. Wait a minute, they are
> different kinds of food. But both have lots of starch. I think potato has
> much
> more starch. Well, it depends on which type of potato. This discussion is
> going
> nowhere, the real difference is that rice is the staple of the Chinese, and
> potato the Germans. This is absurd ...
> 
> We can go on and on about the differences and similarities because it is we
> who
> decide. For those who like to focus on differences, they will see the
> differences and the same is true with those who prefer to focus on
> similarities.
> 
> The problem of rice and potato is not intellectual (per se) but social. We
> are
> part of the problem. And I believe it is through recognizing this, we can
> release ourselves and move on. Like others I want the subject on design
> research to move on. However, I am unconvinced by Dick's suggestion. The
> problem can not resolved by admitting that we are 'smug' and look for
> models
> established in other fields. This suggestion won't work because the solution
> to
> the problem doesn't lie somewhere else but within us.
> 
> If we want to move on, we must first admit that people are different and
> they
> will, within their power, do what they believe. So, let them do what they
> believe and wait and see for the results. This way, we don't judge their
> beliefs but the results of their work, and this I think is a more tolerant,
> democratic, and fair way to deal with people's differences and to resolve
> conflict of interests with a community.
> 
> Best Regards
> Rosan
> 
> Alec Robertson wrote:
> 
> For Information.I am pleased to inform you that substantial draft
> proceedings
> of the event "Designing Design Research 4: Reflecting, Refreshing,
> Reuniting
> and Renovating" held in London, UK on 20th March 2004 are now available
> on-line
> .  Accessed at the website http://www.dmu.ac.uk/4dd/DDR4/
> <http://www.dmu.ac.uk/4dd/DDR4/> They include transcripts of the Afternoon
> Question Session Event and the Design Research Society Awardsmade at the
> Evening Dinner Event. Minor refinements may be made to these ,  and the
> site
> generally.Further material may beadded in due course in content and media.
> Regards to all. Alec Robertson. http://www.dmu.ac.uk/4dd
> <http://www.dmu.ac.uk/4dd> (Apologies to those on multiple lists for cross
> posting )
> 
> 

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