Dear Jean and Rosan,
Thank you. It seems there is agreement that there is a difference between rules
(guidelines) and enforcement. Regardless of the purpose of a list or a
discussion group we are all still human beings in the end and how we manage the
delicate reality of the thinking/emotion balance in ourselves and
interpersonally I think is more important than whether we are right or wrong on
a topic. You both have taken the time and energy to have what I would call a
heart dialog. Speaking, listening, and clarifying.
For me the dynamics of an online group were not uppermost in my mind a month
ago. What I did think a month ago was that any group choosing to work or talk
together did need to agree on the ground rules even if that was tacit agreement
on assumed rules. This discussion has highlighted a number of issues central
and tangent to design research. Things like ethics in relation to how design
research addresses research subjects, what happens when trust is assumed or
broken, how we approach emotions related to a conversation, and many more. As
designers and design researchers we work in an area which includes the hard
sciences and the social sciences. Design has functional physical reality as
well as symbolic, metaphoric, and social significance and impact. Design
research covers a lot of territory because design covers a lot of territory. We
may need to be able to approach our own total humanness in order to understand
and address the needs of an ailing humanity.
Fondest regards,
Jan
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and the same reality
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rosan Chow [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 1:01 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: rules leadership policing: ideas on how to keep the list running
Dear Jean
thank you very much for taking the time and the apology. just want to
clarify something. and i will try to follow Lisa Simpson's style.
to me, rules are guidances and guidances are what leadership is about.
leaders are different from managers who are executives. execution is to
do with policy and policing.
the above is what i have in mind when i talked about rules and
leadership. and i never mentioned policing. although i did mention
power.
my personal view on the relationship between list owners, list members,
rules and policing is like this:
the list owners are the ultimate power in the sense that they set the
rules.
list members are the mangers who police themselves by the rules.
better?
i hope this discussion is going somewhere from here on.
rosan
Jean Schneider wrote:
But do you prefer a list in
> which all posts will be submitted to censorship (who is the author, what
> could s-he mean, etc...)? Personally, I don't. Personally, I prefer
> parties in which people don't anxiously ask you "what are you doing" so
> that they know how to normalize their interaction with you. In my view,
> there is very little noise on this list.
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