it seems that 'everyone' has an opinion, as it should be and that should
be valued. but in this particular case which concerns the rules of the
game on the list, i am most interested in the opinion of the list
owners. i used to think this list was an open forum at which everyone's
(including the list owners) opinion is equal. then i was told once by
the list owner that they owned the list and they could kick me out any
time. i came to accept this fact and to hold the list owers as leaders
of the list. and now i need to know what to expect from others and from
myself on this particular issue. so please, could we see some
leadership. - rosan wai yee chow

Nicola Morelli wrote:
>
> First of all, I must admit I did not read all the messages from Cindy,
> and from what I know of Ken I don't think he would say anything stupid,
> even if, as far as I understand, there has been some animated discussion
> between Cindy and other list members.
> I should possibly underline a part of my previous message and suggest an
> amendment, not to be accused to misrepresent anyone's intentions. I
> wrote:
> "...periodically new people come in with fake names and feel free to
> send us any kind of stupid message. This was probably far from Ken's
> purpose" I underline "this is probably far from Ken's purpose, and if
> Tim insists this is not clear enough I would say that this was
> "certainly" far from Ken's purpose.
> In regard to the real-or-fake identity of Cindy:I don't know whether I
> should consider Cindy a fake or a real person, it is certainly real now,
> that we know she is Ken, but how real was before we knew who was hiding
> behind that identity? And if we allow people to hide behind "second"
> identities are we sure the discussion here will not degenerate in a
> "turris babel"? And if someone is allowed to hide behind a second
> identity how can we be sure that he/she will not misuse this position
> (for instance by provoking with false statements or providing false
> information or even sending spam-like messages)?
> It may be interesting, as Terence proposes, that we present ourselves
> with different identities according to our different positions, because
> this would give more freedom of expression to everyone in this list, but
> I would not be so sure that everyone would be able to stay within the
> limits of a decent discussion. Furthermore Terence proposal may
> undermine the very basis for the discussion in this list, that is trust.
> At that point I would leave the list immediately.
> Having said this, I would like to stop this discussion, as someone
> wisely proposed.
> Nicola
>
> Associate Professor Nicola Morelli, PhD
> School of Architecture and Design, Aalborg University, Denmark
> Web: www.aod.aau.dk/staff/nmor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
> related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Tim Smithers
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:41 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: False personas (aliases and avatars) on the phd-design list
>
> Dear Nicola,
>
> With all due respect, I think you need to be more
> careful with what you say here. And perhaps others
> before you, could have been too.
>
> Cindy was not a fake name. Nor was this a false
> identity. Cindy was the real name of a real
> identity presented on this list by someone we
> also know as Ken.
>
> Whatever the merits or demerits are, and whatever
> our personal opinions and thoughts are of what Ken
> did, none of the messages that were posted here
> by Cindy can be properly described as being stupid,
> as you seem to imply.
>
> It is right, and I think acceptable, for people on
> this list to post, or send privately, expressions of
> disagreement, disapproval, and even anger over
> anything anybody else does here, when this is done
> with care and good reason: in a way that doesn't
> cause further hurt and anger.
>
> It is wrong to misrepresent, explicitly or
> implicitly, what someone else has done.
>
> You misrepresent what Ken did as Cindy.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tim