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Re: Hosea

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Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:54:46 +0100

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Just as Shahin I am not in detail familiar with the story, but maybe it 
would be interesting to look at von Trier's "Breaking the Waves"?
The film has a somewhat different twist to the Hosea story, as it is 
the man who asks his wife to become a prostitute, but could still be 
interesting in comparison.
Jan, the male protagonist, gets paralyzed from the neck and down after 
a near fatal accident. Knowing that physical intimacy with Bess (his 
wife) is impossible, he asks - no, really implores her - to take on any 
number of lovers and report back the details of her trysts. The results 
of the ongoing experiment in vicarious lovemaking for Jan and for Bess, 
sinking way beyond her depth, are disastrous. She slowly elides into a 
twisted caricature of the personality envisioned by Jan. Communal 
rejection is not far off in their small coastal community where 
membership in the church is the sole indicium of civic and personal 
legitimacy.
On several levels von Trier has mirrored, through powerful acting and 
awesome direction, that small, closed society whose fundamentalist 
interiority is a microcosm of the hatred that blind, non-humanistic 
religion often brings.

/Geska

2004-12-03 kl. 08.44 skrev Mikal Howard:

i liked your insight...
do you have a place on line where you put
your...whatever?

very great insight....i look for people like you to
expand my list of non-U. S. produced films i want to
see.
--- Shahin Ismail-Beigi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> If you're looking for Hosea/ Hosea-like narratives,
> and would be open to
> similar stories (as I do not know the details of the
> story, I am not sure if
> these texts work), I would recommend the following:
>
> Stroszek (Werner Herzog, West Germany, 1977, 108 min.)
> A compelling film
> that is critical of many things, including the
> American Dream (for
> immigrants, esp.), heterosexual unions, and the
> dilemmas of displacement/the
> need for community. Stroszek (Bruno S.) is the main
> character, and while he
> was in jail, his girlfriend/wife (?) started a career
> in prostitution.
> Eventually, the leave Germany for a "hopeful" future
> in the States, one that
> take them far from crime, prostitution, and the
> dilemmas of post WWII
> Germany. However, she continues her habit/job of
> prostitution, while also
> working at a truck stop. Stroszek becomes thoroughly
> disillusioned and ever
> more displaced by her actions, by the not-so-friendly
> American scene, and so
> on. His mannerisms remind me of the ways some
> "Lamedvavniks" are talked of
> in Jewish culture. This is to say that his suffering,
> his benevolence, and
> his disposition earmark those of a  prophetic
> individual. For a brief
> description:
>
> There is an ancient tradition, mentioned in Islamic,
> Jewish and Persian
> writings, that the world is prevented from being
> submerged in its follies
> and wickedness by the presence in each generation of a
> small number of just
> men who, through their conduct and good deeds, ensure
> the safety and
> survival of the people. They operate inconspicuously:
> scarcely recognized by
> others or even themselves.
> (http://www.dsgb.orbix.co.uk/justmen.html).
>
> Vivre Sa Vie/My Life to Live [Should be called "Her
> Life to Live"-- more
> agency] (Godard, France 1962, 85 min.) * A great
> nuanced look at the life of
> a woman who for logistical and personal reasons choses
> to become a
> prostitute. I could be grossly wrong, but I believe
> the film starts with her
> talking to a significant other who is not sympathetic
> to her needing/chosing
> the job. Done in 12 vignettes/tableaux, the viewer
> watches closely as the
> protagonist negotiates herself within the world of
> prostitution, vis a vis
> identity, philosophy (one of the greatest pre-Waking
> Life/ pre Dinner With
> Andre cafe conversations about philosophy I've seen),
> capitalism, etc.
> Gorgeously shot, highly influential and moving
> (emotionally, analytically,
> etc.).
>
> Actually, those are the only ones that I can think of
> off-hand.
> Well, have a good one.
>
> Shahin Ismail-Beigi
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