Friday, November 12, 2004, 2:45:25 PM, one spoke:
M> punk as a genre is hard to tie dwon., the term punk cinema could
M> mean exactly what you describe and does -- things more indie than
M> indie made to a lowtech esthetic both on purpose and cause that's
M> all they could get. seciondhand cameras...the d.i.y. concept comes
M> into play -- and of course punk especially amond developed
M> sophisticated and developed artists means doing things in ways that
M> are not at all in line with traditionally established "corporate'
M> cinematic methods. they are video a lot as well too. most often
M> very little known except in certian circles -- not 'establishment.'
I think it's *extremely* important not to define "punk" in such a way
that it describes all underground film for the last 40 years.
M> the entymology:
Bugs? Who's talking about bugs?
M> the word 'punk' -- it is incence. people would hold it. it
M> smouldered and burned. punks are often inscenced. you have to
M> think about it cause the idea of people standing around holding
M> smoking things is where the world punk -- iam serious -- began to
M> be applied to people rather than just the incense.
Er, that's a really novel version, probably because it's so silly it
never occurred to anybody. "Punk" is jailhouse slang.
M> it started in britain
No it didn't. See the date of the first issue of John Holmstrom's Punk
zine, which documented a scene that had already existed in NYC for a
year before that.
M> and then there is cyberpunk which is new and includes
Whether you date it to Gibson's _Neuromancer_ or Shirley's _City Come
a Walkin_ or even Brunner's _Shockwave Rider_, the genre is old enough
to drink.
M> there are few truly 'punk' films -- although there are many films
M> that make true punks cringe because of caricature-interpretations
M> of what they are.
There were plenty, as has already been suggested on this thread, if
you know where to look.
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Jim Flannery
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