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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 9 Mar 2004 to 10 Mar 2004 (#2004-71)
There are 16 messages totalling 509 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Income of Prominent Victorians (2)
2. Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET (3)
3. Thanks - women on trial for murder
4. Thanks - children's books
5. Victorian Funerary Architecture
6. Walter Scott (publishing) a query. (2)
7. fear of water? (2)
8. Mendelssohn's Elijah (2)
9. "Jouse," Anyone? (2)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 04:26:31 EST
From: David Lannon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Income of Prominent Victorians
Barbara Walsh, in her recent book "Roman Catholic Nuns of England and Wales
1800-1937" looks at convent finances. One source of income was found in the
donations received from benefactors. I suspect that such support for good
causes was not limited to Roman Catholics and that a study of accounts of
similar institutions (schools, chapels, orphanages, homes etc) might reveal
much about the income (and generous outgoings) of prominent Victorians.
Certainly Walsh's chapter is a useful indication.
David Lannon
Salford Diocesan Archives
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:05:46 -0500
From: "Doise, Jill" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET
Hello, Victorian minds,
As a brief introduction, my name is Jill Doise, and I am finishing my
undergraduate degree in English this May. I will be attending graduate
school next August. Victorian literature, "the woman question," and fairy-
tale themes are among my research interests.
My question relates to Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and Mary Elizabeth Braddon's
LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET. I have been following the list for a while and I
know that both subjects are frequently mentioned. I wonder, however, if
anyone knows if any study has been done on the connection between the two.
I have been developing a paper on this topic, and in my research, I have
found nothing which examines this connection. I am interested to know
whether or not my subject matter has been studied before. If anyone knows
of any, could you please let me know?
Also, if you have any suggestions on sources to which I may turn in order
to further my paper, I would appreciate them. I will - of course - be
turning to the wisdom of the archives.
You may email me at [log in to unmask]
Thank you in advance,
Jill Doise
University of Louisiana, Lafayette
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:41:32 -0500
From: Holly Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Income of Prominent Victorians
George Eliot kept very precise financial records. At New Year's, she
would tally up the year's earnings: see her journals (Ed. Harris and
Johnson) for the end-of-year entries.
John Kenyon's bequest left the Brownings with an income of L 550, I
believe. They also had about L 100 from investments each year.
Hope this helps,
Holly Forsythe, University of Toronto
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:19:45 +0100
From: Janet Stobbs Wright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks - women on trial for murder
Thank you to everyone who sent me references for novels and stories dealing
with women who murder, and criminal proceedings against them. I really am
grateful for all your help, and I hope to be able to include some of the
works suggested in my thesis.
Best wishes,
> Janet Stobbs
> Universidad Cardenal Herrerra
> Elche, Spain.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:38:34 -0000
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks - children's books
Hi!
Many thanks to everyone who replied (on and off list) to my query about
children's books.
All the best
Chris
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Secrets and Rumours - The Unconventional Life of ME Braddon
http://www.chriswillis.freeserve.co.uk/Secrets_and_Rumours.htm
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:01:20 -0000
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Victorian Funerary Architecture
Hi!
List members who are interested in Victorian cemeteries might be interested
in joining the Mausolea and Monuments Trust.
We aim to record, restore and preserve UK mausolea - many of which are
currently in a rather sorry state.
Membership is free (though we welcome donations). Members get a newsletter
three times a year, invitations to various events, and the chance to help
with our conservation work.
Details at www.mausolea-monuments.org.uk
All the best
Chris
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Mausolea and Monuments Trust
www.mausolea-monuments.org.uk
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:12:07 +0000
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?anneliese=20glitz?= <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Walter Scott (publishing) a query.
Hello,
This is perhaps a rather dull question, but could someone on the list tell
me where Walter Scott (the publishing house), were publishing from in the
1890s. Thank you.
Anneliese Glitz.
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:22:03 +0800
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamara=20Wagner?= <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET
Dear Jill,
I remember listening to a paper on the topic at the
Locating the Victorians conference in London in 2001.
Google led me back to the programme
at:www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/collections/research/victorians/
Locating_the_Victorians_Programme.rtf -
On Friday 13 July 11.30am - 12.40pm
Joseph Kestner, University of Tulsa, USA
The Pre-Raphaelites, St George and Braddon's Lady
Audley's Secret
By the way, one of my students wrote an undergrad
dissertation on the depiction of women in sensation
novels and pre-Raphaelite painting last year. _Basil_
and _Armadale_ proved to be good choices, apart from
_Lady Audley's Secret_ of course. The front page of
the Oxford Classics edition of _Basil_ moreover
features a detail from Ford Madox Brown's _Stages of
Cruelty_, which has always reminded me more of Lady
Audley and Lydia Gwilt (in _Armadale_) than of the
dark-haired villainess of _Basil_.
In a different vein, the best article I've recently
enjoyed reading on the Pre-Raphaelites was Rebecca
Stern's on _Goblin Market_ and food adulteration.
Enjoy,
Tamara
--- "Doise, Jill" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >
Hello, Victorian minds,
>
> As a brief introduction, my name is Jill Doise, and
> I am finishing my
> undergraduate degree in English this May. I will be
> attending graduate
> school next August. Victorian literature, "the woman
> question," and fairy-
> tale themes are among my research interests.
>
> My question relates to Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and
> Mary Elizabeth Braddon's
> LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET. I have been following the list
> for a while and I
> know that both subjects are frequently mentioned. I
> wonder, however, if
> anyone knows if any study has been done on the
> connection between the two.
> I have been developing a paper on this topic, and in
> my research, I have
> found nothing which examines this connection. I am
> interested to know
> whether or not my subject matter has been studied
> before. If anyone knows
> of any, could you please let me know?
>
> Also, if you have any suggestions on sources to
> which I may turn in order
> to further my paper, I would appreciate them. I
> will - of course - be
> turning to the wisdom of the archives.
>
> You may email me at [log in to unmask]
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Jill Doise
> University of Louisiana, Lafayette
> [log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:11:37 -0500
From: Diana Archibald <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: fear of water?
Hello all,
In my British Literature survey class this week, I asked my students
to discuss their preconceptions about the Victorian Period--to tell
me what they've heard or what sticks in their minds about the
Victorians. I expected the comments on prudery, fancy houses and
beautiful clothes, and elaborate etiquette, but I was surprised when
one student assured me that "Victorians were afraid of water. They
never used it to wash their faces."
I don't recall hearing this particular claim made before about
Victorian English folk. Has my student fallen prey to the great
myth-making machine of popular culture, or is there some truth to
this statement? Where did this preconception come from?
Thanks, in advance, for your help,
Diana Archibald
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:54:10 -0600
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Pre-Raphaelite Ideals and LADY AUDLEY'S SECRET
Jill,
In the current issue of the Victorians Institute Journal you'll find an
article by Simon Cooke, "Dangerous Subversives: The Role of Painters in
Sensation Fiction" that might be of interest to you. If your library
doesn't subscribe to the journal, you can recommend that they do with a form
you'll find here: http://www.people.vcu.edu/~dlatane/VI.html#VIJ
This issue is being mailed out this week, so it won't be in libraries yet;
if you subscribe yourself, though, we'll get a copy out to you any minute!
Best,
Libby Gruner
Co-editor, VIJ
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:55:36 EST
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Walter Scott (publishing) a query.
The Walter Scott publishing company had offices in Newcastle and London. See
John R. Turner, The Walter Scott Publishing Company: A Bibliography
(Pittsburgh, 1997).
Mark Samuels Lasner
Senior Research Fellow
University of Delaware Library
181 South College Avenue
Newark, DE 19717
Tel. (302) 831-3250
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:17:08 -0000
From: Malcolm Shifrin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: fear of water?
It certainly seems that some Victorians were afraid of showers, The =
manager of the Rochdale co-operative Turkish bath wrote a short pamphlet =
for prospective bathers in 1860 in which he wrote:
Many are afraid of the Turkish Bath, simply because of the cold shower =
after being in the hot room. We cannot blame such, because a short time =
ago we should have thought of nothing but instant death if such a change =
had been proposed to us.
He explains how to take a shower:
The proper plan, and one which makes the matter quite easy, is to stand =
firmly with the feet exactly under the centre of the rose. Make an =
effort to brace up the nerves, and assume a defiant attitude as though =
about to encounter an enemy. Let the first shock of cold fall on the =
face and chest, then move the upper part of the body gently to and fro, =
so that the water may fall on the back and front alternately; then on =
the sides in turns, holding up the arms alternately, that the armpits =
and sides may receive their due share of the bracing stream.
And after dealing with other parts of the body, he continues:
When there is time and opportunity, the pleasure may be increased by the =
bather putting his hands on the floor, and moving about, or laying down, =
so as to receive the shower on different parts of the body. By laying on =
the back the feet may be held up, which is very agreeable. In short, the =
shower should be a source of fun to all who take the Turkish Bath.
Today this amuses us, but in the middle of the 19th century, no less a =
person than George Jacob Holyoake wrote that Mr Jagger's pamphlet was 'a =
very sensible and practical tract'.
As to fear of washing the face in water, it is probably worth =
remembering that the majority of town Victorians had no easy access to =
water in their dwellings. What water they found might well have been =
polluted and, at a time of cholera epidemics, they might well have had =
reason to fear water on their faces.
Anthony S Wohl's Endangered Lives (Methuen, 1983), mentioned in a recent =
thread on adulterated food, would help with a Victorian perspective on =
cleanliness.
Malcolm
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:10:39 -0500
From: Mary Wilson Carpenter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mendelssohn's Elijah
Our choral group is rehearsing for a performance of Mendelssohn's =
oratorio, Elijah, and questions have arisen which I think the Victoria =
listserv might be able to answer. As some of you may know, the oratorio =
was commissioned by the Birmingham Music Festival for their 1846 =
performance, so it was from the beginning intended for an English =
audience, and the lyrics were in English. Mendelssohn was at the time an =
enormously admired composer not only in Britain but throughout Europe, =
and the oratorio was received with rapturous applause.=20
My first question concerns the pronunciation of the pagan god, =
Baal, to whom the Israelites have turned in place of Jehovah. Some =
members of our group, including the conductor, feel Baal should be =
pronounced as if it rhymes with "pail." Others think something more like =
"bah-al" is more accurate. I myself first heard it pronounced as if it =
rhymed with "peel," as in "Bee-ee-l." Does anyone have a good idea of =
how the word would have been pronounced in Victorian England?=20
My second question concerns quotations from the oratorio in =
English literary texts. Sarah Grand, in The Heavenly Twins (1893), =
actually prints the musical notes as well as the words for a line from =
one of the most famous choruses in the work, "He watching over Israel," =
in her opening Proem, and returns to the line as a motif elsewhere in =
the novel. Does anyone know of any other quotes from or references to =
the oratorio in literary texts, either British or American (I believe =
the oratorio was equally popular in Victorian America)?=20
Finally, I'd like to know of any books, articles, or indexes to =
articles that might tell me more about the circumstances and reception =
of this extraordinarily Victorian oratorio.=20
Mary Wilson Carpenter
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:19:40 -0500
From: Tamar Heller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "Jouse," Anyone?
Does anyone recognize the word "jouse"? I believe it's dialect of some
kind. Yes, Rhoda Broughton's_Cometh Up as a Flower_ cometh up again--a
character in it, the household's cook, asks "What the jouse" she is to say
to the butcher when he comes to collect his overdue bill. Broughton
inserts "[sic]" after "jouse." Any thoughts? Please feel free to respond
off-list.
With many thanks,
Tamar Heller
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:16:21 -0800
From: "Peter H. Wood" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "Jouse," Anyone?
In response to Tamar Heller's enquiry as to the possible meaning of
"jouse [sic]", my immediate guess would be "deuce" [sc. "devil"]. Rationale
- the phonetic equivalence of the two words, and among the lower orders, the
expression "What the deuce?" is a standard expletive of the period.
Peter Wood
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:24:35 -0800
From: "Peter H. Wood" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Mendelssohn's Elijah
In response to Mary Wilson Carpenterenquiry re the pronunciation of the
pagan god, Baal, Chambers' 20th-Century Dictionary gives the pronunciation
as being similar to that of "pail"/"pale". The first "a" is sounded as in
"name".
Unfortunately ASCII does not permit the reproducing of the various
accent marks such as the dictionary supplies.
Peter Wood
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