Hi Elizabeth and Dave,
You both identify walking as one option. I agree with this and, as long as
there are no other complications, would seem to be a solution to many
issues. My authority is situated next to a school and I, as a Guide dog
Owner, have no end of trouble trying to cross the road in a morning because
of the sheer amount of parents driving their children to the school. The
solution I hear you say is to start work earlier!!
However, leaving aside the environmental issues, I would think that the
school should take into consideration the needs of parents with impairments
transporting their children to school - especially if they are young
children and live some distance away. It would not create any precedent to
allow this lady to drive into the car park. Perhaps a compromise may be
reached by asking the lady to arrive before 08.30?
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
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Hi John
It seems that if the school had to provide parking space for
the normal
school run it is again different from arrangements they
could provide
occasionally for a PTA meeting for that particular parent.
The parent (not
the child) would need to get into the school and they should
let her access
the car park.
I know this seems a round about way of solving the problem
but 2 things are
really important here: the age of the child, and where is
the nearest place
the parent can park safely for a drop off and collect point.
If the child is too young (debatable depending area, or if
there are roads
to cross) a staff helper can take the child to the car at
the end of the
day. In the morning, arrangements could be made with
walking-in parents. The
school should arrange this. Otherwise, if the child is old
enough, 8 years
is when children have full peripheral vision and start to be
able to see
better the cars coming, they could walk the rest of the way
to the school.
With mobile phones, they could be alerted if the parent was
delayed for the
return journey.
Alternatively that parent could be environment friendly and
arrange car
sharing with someone else. She would pick up and return
children and solve
her problem too.
I think the school would make more "reasonable arrangements"
by facilitating
the school run arrangements or providing a staff member or
to ensure that
child safety on a regular basis, and special access when the
parent needs to
get into the school herself.
Elizabeth
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Hi Marcus,
Yes, technically, but as I don't consider the car park as 'a
service' then
DDA Part III would not apply. Part IV does not have
anything in it to refer
to, hence SENDA.
Cheers.
John.
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Cherwell District Council
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Hi John and John
Since SENDA is now DDA part 4 it does not
matter.
Marcus
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Hi John,
If I read your description correctly, the
school are saying
that the car
park is private and not a public facility.
If so, I think
that this would
exclude them from doing anything to assist
the parent. They
would not be
covered under DDA as it is not a service.
If anything, and I doubt whether it is
possible, SENDA is
the appropriate
legislation. However, not being an
educational authority, I
am not too
familiar with SENDA and all its nuances. I
will consult one
of my
colleagues who may know more.
Regards.
John.
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Cherwell District Council
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Hi All,
I am hoping one of you out
there may have
had the same
problem as me and was
able to successfully solve
the problem.
A school in my area, like so
many others
throughout the
country, does not
have a drop-off point or, a
car park, to
assist parents when
either bringing
children to school or,
picking them up
again. The school has
a procedure
whereby they lock the
vehicular access
between 8.30am and
3.45pm to prevent
parents driving up to the
school. There is
no room for
vehicles to turn in
the staff carpark once the
staff have taken
up all the
parking bays.
One of the parents has a
heart condition
that prevents her
from walking more
than 10 meters without
taking a substantial
recovery break.
This parent has
asked the school to allow
her access to the
staff carpark in
order to drop
off and pick up her child.
The school has now asked me
to determine if
are they
required, under the
DDA, to provide a member of
staff to unlock
the gate each
time this parent
arrives as well as providing
an accessible
parking bay. They
tell me the
price £15,000 for a full
security CCTV and
powered gate,
costs too much for
this to be an option. I
believe that doing
nothing is not an
option and I
believe there must be a
lower level security
system out
there that will
allow vehicular
identification so that the
gate can be
opened remotely from
a school office.
If you can offer some advice
I would be
grateful,
John
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