Following on from my last message. I'm not sure whether the Scalamobile can
be used with any type of powered wheelchair, as I only have experience of
using it with a manual wheelchair.
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From: "Karen Tuff" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
> Karen
> Having read the responses so far I wondered whether you have heard of a
> "Scalamobile" mobile stairclimber, by Simorg ltd. Simorg Ltd tel no:
01582
> 484785, Director Alan Gordon. Able to offer a site visit and risk
> assessment
>
> This is equipment allows the wheelchair to be fixed directly to the
> stairclimber. The wheelchair will need a slight alteration, it will need
> quick release wheels fitted. In Greenwich where I work as a Local
Authority
> Occupational Therapist, our wheelchair service did this for us. We have
> issued them on a number of occasions, where we have not been able to offer
> any other solution to gaining access out of a domestic property. I
actually
> did a small survey to find out more about mobile stair climbers. The
> results are on the following link.
> http://www.otdirect.co.uk/stairclimbers.html
>
> Mobile stair climbers are not suitable for every one and trained operators
> are required. As with most situations a risk assessment of the people who
> are going to use the product and of the environment is required. My
survey
> goes into more detail. I didn't look at their use in emergency
situations,
> but I think they could definitely be considered as an option.
>
> I have sat in a Scalamobile mobile stairclimber and operated one my self
and
> found it very easy to use. It also overcomes manual handling issues, i.e.
> if the person is non weight bearing, as no lifting is needed, the
wheelchair
> simply fits onto the holding device and the wheels are removed. Another
> benefit is once out of the building the wheelchair wheels are reattached
and
> the product could be used again.
>
> Karen Tuff
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Croft Consultants" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
>
>
> > Hi Karen
> >
> > the questions are a little more complicated than your points, which are
> > basically from a personal point of view, but I have been asking similar
> > questions and would like some other perspectives.
> > To my personal belief the rules requiring for example theatres and
sports
> > stadia, or even to multi-story buildings have been made without due
> thought
> > to emergency evacuation of disabled people and little published research
> is
> > available to base any corporate planning or advice.
> >
> > re-when trained people are off sick, the organisation needs to have an
> > excess of trained people if they wish to comply. This is likely to be
> beyond
> > the capabilities of a small organisation. The organisation may take the
> > route suggested by the DDA and assign the disabled worker to a ground
> floor.
> > However, even following this route the disabled person is unlikely to be
> > able to attend all meetings or visit certain other people or departments
> > which are essential to their work.
> > making provision for disabled visitors complicates this problem how will
> the
> > numbers be handled?
> >
> > re-physically lifting, the courts have recently stated that carers and
> > similar workers must lift disabled people manually, ignoring health and
> > safety regulations. However, how this ruling would apply to colleagues
> > lifting a disabled person in an emergency has yet to be clarified.
> > While some people may be safely lifted from their usual chair to an evec
> > chair, others need special handling and possibly special equipment to
> avoid
> > injury, What happens here?
> > or, what happens if the assistants need to transfer a 28 stone man from
a
> > wheelchair to and evac chair?
> > I have seen no proposals for handling these situations, especially in
> places
> > of public entertainment and more so where amateur/voluntary short term
> > events have been arranged. These are generally local authority owned so
> > where do the authorities stand if they cannot arrange to safely evacuate
> one
> > employee from a building with which they are familiar?
> > for example an Amateur Society stages a musical in a municipal theatre
> > Who does the planning? the society who are unlikely to have sufficient
> > knowledge or the local authority who should have the expertise and
> > familiarity with the building
> > Who provides the trained evacuation assistants? the society or the local
> > authority
> > Who is responsible for providing any special equipment?
> > What controls are applied to attendees? (number of wheelchair users,
> > mobility and visually impaired, older people who may have limited
ability
> to
> > move on stairs)
> >
> > An evacuation chair has limited usefulness during an evacuation, it
takes
> > ten minutes per floor to remove a person,
> > According to Fire Regs once a person has left a building they should not
> > re-enter, so how can the chair be re-used? and even if it could be
> returned
> > other slow moving evacuees are likely to be restricting use of the
stairs.
> > If an evac chair is to be re-used what happens to the person already in
> the
> > chair, are they dumped on the walkway?
> > Lastly, fire doors are generally rated at thirty minutes protection and
> > everyone is supposed to be evacuated before this time limit, so is
taking
> > the chair back into the building feasible?
> >
> > If anyone has any thoughts or info please contact me
> >
> > Dave Croft
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Croft Consultants (Health & Safety and Access)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Beattie" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
> >
> >
> > > As an access officer, who is also a wheelchair user (presently working
> > from
> > > home) due to the dispute on what should the risk assessment and
> procedure
> > > be for disabled people working above or below ground floor level,
taking
> > > into account a normal lift cannot be used.
> > >
> > > I don't have the answer but these are the questions being asked at my
> > > authority -
> > >
> > > Evacu chairs - People need to be trained in how to use these chairs
to
> > > evacuate disabled people from the building, a couple of concerns
> > > what happens if the trained people are out of the office, off sick
or
> > on
> > > holiday when the chairs are needed?
> > > -what happens if the disabled person has to be physically lifted
> onto
> > > the evacu chairs, two concerns manual moving and handling
> > > recommendations - no physical lifting without auxiliary aids and/or
> > > equipment
> > > human rights - dignity of the disabled person being man-handled
> > > what is the procedure if more than one person requires use of an
> evacu
> > > chair?
> > >
> > > I don't have the answers but am very interested in what other
> authorities
> > > do in their buildings in the absence of evacuation lifts.
> > >
> > > Karen Beattie
> > > Swyddog Mynediad/Access Officer
> > > Ffon/Tel 01824 708052
> > > E-bost: [log in to unmask]
> > > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Thomas, David"
> > > <DThomas@AYLESBURYVAL To:
> > [log in to unmask]
> > > EDC.GOV.UK> cc:
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> > >
> > >
> > > 27/04/04 03:08 PM
> > > Please respond to
> > > Accessibuilt list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Upgrading of lifts
> > >
> > > I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be
used
> > > as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs.
Neither
> > > the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers
> > > to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety"
or
> > > to a lift.
> > >
> > > My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited
> > > distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as
> > > stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if
> > > provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to
> > > evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another
stairwell
> > > further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the
key
> > > is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole
> > > assessment), and us making reasonable provisions.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how
many
> > > lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises?
> > >
> > > David Thomas
> > > Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
> > > 66, High Street,
> > > Aylesbury,
> > > Buckinghamshire.
> > > HP20 1SD
> > > Tel. 01296 585158
> > > Fax 01296 585674
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: M.Ormerod [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: 27 April 2004 14:31
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
> > > (UQ0000171962)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I know Malcolm and Vin are experiencing the problem of rejected
posting.
> > > If there are other people who are also experiencing this problem can
you
> > > please e-mail off list [log in to unmask] for me to work with
> > > jiscmail on solving it.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > To: 'M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>'
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> > >
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> > > Submitter Email : M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>
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> > > There is a workaround for this, ie: a setting that can be applied
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> > > I have joined the list and sent a posting, so hopefully I will find
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> > >
> > > Pam, JISCmail Helpline Manager
> > > Problem Description : Hi there
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> > > Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I
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> > > a message it goes through to the list ok and then I get the
following
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Other
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> > > Regards
> > > Marcus
> > >
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