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Following on from my last message. I'm not sure whether the Scalamobile can be used with any type of powered wheelchair, as I only have experience of using it with a manual wheelchair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tuff" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees > Karen > Having read the responses so far I wondered whether you have heard of a > "Scalamobile" mobile stairclimber, by Simorg ltd. Simorg Ltd tel no: 01582 > 484785, Director Alan Gordon. Able to offer a site visit and risk > assessment > > This is equipment allows the wheelchair to be fixed directly to the > stairclimber. The wheelchair will need a slight alteration, it will need > quick release wheels fitted. In Greenwich where I work as a Local Authority > Occupational Therapist, our wheelchair service did this for us. We have > issued them on a number of occasions, where we have not been able to offer > any other solution to gaining access out of a domestic property. I actually > did a small survey to find out more about mobile stair climbers. The > results are on the following link. > http://www.otdirect.co.uk/stairclimbers.html > > Mobile stair climbers are not suitable for every one and trained operators > are required. As with most situations a risk assessment of the people who > are going to use the product and of the environment is required. My survey > goes into more detail. I didn't look at their use in emergency situations, > but I think they could definitely be considered as an option. > > I have sat in a Scalamobile mobile stairclimber and operated one my self and > found it very easy to use. It also overcomes manual handling issues, i.e. > if the person is non weight bearing, as no lifting is needed, the wheelchair > simply fits onto the holding device and the wheels are removed. Another > benefit is once out of the building the wheelchair wheels are reattached and > the product could be used again. > > Karen Tuff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Croft Consultants" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees > > > > Hi Karen > > > > the questions are a little more complicated than your points, which are > > basically from a personal point of view, but I have been asking similar > > questions and would like some other perspectives. > > To my personal belief the rules requiring for example theatres and sports > > stadia, or even to multi-story buildings have been made without due > thought > > to emergency evacuation of disabled people and little published research > is > > available to base any corporate planning or advice. > > > > re-when trained people are off sick, the organisation needs to have an > > excess of trained people if they wish to comply. This is likely to be > beyond > > the capabilities of a small organisation. The organisation may take the > > route suggested by the DDA and assign the disabled worker to a ground > floor. > > However, even following this route the disabled person is unlikely to be > > able to attend all meetings or visit certain other people or departments > > which are essential to their work. > > making provision for disabled visitors complicates this problem how will > the > > numbers be handled? > > > > re-physically lifting, the courts have recently stated that carers and > > similar workers must lift disabled people manually, ignoring health and > > safety regulations. However, how this ruling would apply to colleagues > > lifting a disabled person in an emergency has yet to be clarified. > > While some people may be safely lifted from their usual chair to an evec > > chair, others need special handling and possibly special equipment to > avoid > > injury, What happens here? > > or, what happens if the assistants need to transfer a 28 stone man from a > > wheelchair to and evac chair? > > I have seen no proposals for handling these situations, especially in > places > > of public entertainment and more so where amateur/voluntary short term > > events have been arranged. These are generally local authority owned so > > where do the authorities stand if they cannot arrange to safely evacuate > one > > employee from a building with which they are familiar? > > for example an Amateur Society stages a musical in a municipal theatre > > Who does the planning? the society who are unlikely to have sufficient > > knowledge or the local authority who should have the expertise and > > familiarity with the building > > Who provides the trained evacuation assistants? the society or the local > > authority > > Who is responsible for providing any special equipment? > > What controls are applied to attendees? (number of wheelchair users, > > mobility and visually impaired, older people who may have limited ability > to > > move on stairs) > > > > An evacuation chair has limited usefulness during an evacuation, it takes > > ten minutes per floor to remove a person, > > According to Fire Regs once a person has left a building they should not > > re-enter, so how can the chair be re-used? and even if it could be > returned > > other slow moving evacuees are likely to be restricting use of the stairs. > > If an evac chair is to be re-used what happens to the person already in > the > > chair, are they dumped on the walkway? > > Lastly, fire doors are generally rated at thirty minutes protection and > > everyone is supposed to be evacuated before this time limit, so is taking > > the chair back into the building feasible? > > > > If anyone has any thoughts or info please contact me > > > > Dave Croft > > [log in to unmask] > > > > Croft Consultants (Health & Safety and Access) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen Beattie" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees > > > > > > > As an access officer, who is also a wheelchair user (presently working > > from > > > home) due to the dispute on what should the risk assessment and > procedure > > > be for disabled people working above or below ground floor level, taking > > > into account a normal lift cannot be used. > > > > > > I don't have the answer but these are the questions being asked at my > > > authority - > > > > > > Evacu chairs - People need to be trained in how to use these chairs to > > > evacuate disabled people from the building, a couple of concerns > > > what happens if the trained people are out of the office, off sick or > > on > > > holiday when the chairs are needed? > > > -what happens if the disabled person has to be physically lifted > onto > > > the evacu chairs, two concerns manual moving and handling > > > recommendations - no physical lifting without auxiliary aids and/or > > > equipment > > > human rights - dignity of the disabled person being man-handled > > > what is the procedure if more than one person requires use of an > evacu > > > chair? > > > > > > I don't have the answers but am very interested in what other > authorities > > > do in their buildings in the absence of evacuation lifts. > > > > > > Karen Beattie > > > Swyddog Mynediad/Access Officer > > > Ffon/Tel 01824 708052 > > > E-bost: [log in to unmask] > > > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thomas, David" > > > <DThomas@AYLESBURYVAL To: > > [log in to unmask] > > > EDC.GOV.UK> cc: > > > Sent by: Accessibuilt Subject: Re: > > Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees > > > list > > > <ACCESSIBUILT@JISCMAI > > > L.AC.UK> > > > > > > > > > 27/04/04 03:08 PM > > > Please respond to > > > Accessibuilt list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upgrading of lifts > > > > > > I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be used > > > as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs. Neither > > > the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers > > > to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety" or > > > to a lift. > > > > > > My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited > > > distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as > > > stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if > > > provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to > > > evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another stairwell > > > further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the key > > > is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole > > > assessment), and us making reasonable provisions. > > > > > > I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how many > > > lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises? > > > > > > David Thomas > > > Corporate Health and Safety Advisor, > > > 66, High Street, > > > Aylesbury, > > > Buckinghamshire. > > > HP20 1SD > > > Tel. 01296 585158 > > > Fax 01296 585674 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: M.Ormerod [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: 27 April 2004 14:31 > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask] > > > (UQ0000171962) > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > I know Malcolm and Vin are experiencing the problem of rejected posting. > > > If there are other people who are also experiencing this problem can you > > > please e-mail off list [log in to unmask] for me to work with > > > jiscmail on solving it. > > > > > > Regards > > > Marcus > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CLRC_Support [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: 27 April 2004 14:19 > > > To: 'M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>' > > > Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask] > > > (UQ0000171962) > > > > > > > > > This is a partial response to your enquiry(UQ0000171962) . Further > > > information will be sent to you shortly. Thank you > > > > > > Submitter Email : M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]> > > > Problem Classification : JISCmail General > > > Response to user : Marcus > > > > > > This kind of thing is normally caused by a certain type of mail > > > system that a small number of organisations use. There will be a > > > susbcriber on your list from such an organisation. Basically, when an > > > email is distributed to the list, and is sent to that subscriber, their > > > mail system sees that the > > > To: address is [log in to unmask] and forwards it back to the > > > list, whereupon Listserv sees that it has already been distributed and > > > sends that error message back to the original poster. Mail systems > > > should not look at the To: address, as the correct delivery address is > > > contained in the mail envelope that exists at transmission time. > > > > > > There is a workaround for this, ie: a setting that can be applied to > > > an individual subscriber that tells Listserv to create a separate mail > > > job for them and place their address in the To: field instead of the > > > list address. However, I need to know who that subscriber is and the > > > only way to find out is to look in the mail headers of one of those > > > error messages sent to the original poster. > > > > > > I have joined the list and sent a posting, so hopefully I will find > > > the 'rogue' email > > > > > > Pam, JISCmail Helpline Manager > > > Problem Description : Hi there > > > > > > Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I > > > send > > > a message it goes through to the list ok and then I get the following > > > attached message from jiscmail telling me it has been rejected. Other > > > people on the list also complain about this happening. Is there a > > > reason > > > why a message that has been successfully sent then gets a rejection > > > notice? > > > > > > Regards > > > Marcus > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: L-Soft list server at JISCMAIL (1.8e) > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > > Sent: 27 April 2004 13:52 > > > To: Marcus Ormerod > > > Subject: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it > > > appears > > > to have already been distributed to the ACCESSIBUILT list. That > > > is, > > > a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail > > > headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by > > > someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the > > > list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware > > > failure > > > with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way > > > and resend it to the list. 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