Here's my two pence worth on this.....
Our sheltered housing is treated the same way as any other dwelling...
If a resident requires any adaptations in order to access their home,
then these are carried out on a one to one basis. Just the same as any
other householder would under the adaptations grant scheme.
Visitors would thus be the same as anyone visiting you or I at home. Not
covered by the Act.
Communal areas are accessible to the residents and if they have a
concert or bingo then they are all able to participate. I suppose that
visitors who enjoy the same concert or bingo would be covered by Part
III because it is then a service. I suppose whoever is responsible for
managing the communal part of the complex has a duty therefore under
Part III. (The Housing Association or the Council. What if the communal
room is considered part of the collective home though. EG what if you
were to hold a wedding party in a marquee in the grounds of your
home?... The mind boggles
Alan
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
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Sent: 26 November 2004 12:08
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Subject: Re: Housing Associations and DDA
Helen,
No problem regarding passing on comments.
John.
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From: helen kane [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 26 November 2004 11:30
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Housing Associations and DDA
Thanks all, good to see people interested in the subject.
Does anyone think it appropriate to pass these comments onto the DRC and
see what they have to say about it? They're really keen to clarify.
The RICS working party would also be very interested. I need consent
before I can pass info. on of course.
Any clarity for surveyors would be appreciated, particularly as some
landlords have been serving notices on tenants to undertake often
unecessary and very expensive (eg £50k for a small shop)works under the
"DDA" banner. Most have no idea of the difference between parts II and
III, particularly in retail, let alone common v communal, multi-user
areas and the lack of "public" definition.
Perhaps an article?
Helen
>From: david croft <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Housing Associations and DDA
>Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:57:41 -0000
>
>Hi All
>As Marcus says I.m willing to stick my oar in.
>
>The way I look at it in places like residential homes we need a two
>level
definition
>
>1. communal areas - areas where residents and their invited guests and
relatives have access, but are not open to members of the general
public.
>
>2. Common areas- areas which are used by non-residents or non-employees
>of
the owners (be they a NHS, Housing Association or the residents
themselves.)
>
> 2- common areas would be covered by Part !!! and where relevant Part
> II
>
>1. communal is more problematic. as
>if residents are paying for a the 'service' (out of their pocket,
insurance
payments, NHS payments etc.) i.e. they are paying more than would be
charged for their personal rooms, surely the building operators are
providing a service and the communal areas would then be part of the
'service' provided by the operator to residents and thus fall under Part
III. while the personal rooms would be residential and fall under
Building Regulations Part M sections 6-10.
>
>with Marcus post box comment, the way I see it -
>if they are purely for incoming mail which is sorted by the building
operator's employees Part II would apply to their employees, if
residents have to go to a specific pick up point for their box, it is a
service and should be covered by Part III. All at the cost of the
operator.
>if the boxes are provided by management and a post office employee
>sorts
the mail into individual boxes this would be Part III again at the
operator's expense.
>if the boxes are provided by the post office this would be part II for
their employees and Part III for the residents as this is a service.
>An outgoing mail box is the post office responsibility and a Part III
service.
>
>Dave
>
>
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