medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
John Dillon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>Cistercian houses traced their lineage back to one of the five(?)
"Mother Houses" --Citeaux, Clairvaux, Pontigny, and a coupla others i can't
recall.
> La Ferte' and Morimond.
o.k.
> Casamari was a daughter of C[lairvaux]. So in that sense San Galgano's
Cistercian "mother" will also have been C[lairvaux]. I mistook your inquiry
to mean "From what house was San Galgano originally peopled (as a Cistercian
foundation)?".
i just remember seeing, somewhere, a great big ole "family tree" of the order,
all of it going back to those five --but i don't recall whether that was just
for the French houses only.
i don't know enough about gothic architecture, much less about Cistercian
gothic, much less about Eyetalian gothic, much less about Eyetalian Cistercian
gothic to make any sense out of the abbey from the .jpgs i saw on the sites
you linked us to.
but the question of just how "style" (architectural and figural) was conveyed
to outlying houses in an order is an interesting one --does, say, a priory of
Marmoutier or Cluny in England build (or paint or sculpt) in the style of the
mother house, or in the style of the region.
the former would be the "natural" thing for the monks comming from the MH to
do, and they'd no doubt be comfortable in that stylistic milieu; but the MH
form-language would be somewhat (or a *lot*) alien to the Locals, i should
think, and that might be a downside for such things as recruiting both
personnel and property.
>A publication of the Ecole française de Rome, it split in 1971 into
_Mélanges de l'Ecole française de Rome. Moyen âge, temps modernes_ and
_Mélanges de l'école française de Rome. Antiquité_. If IU has either of
these
does, of course.
going way back.
>it may well have its predecessor but not an online catalog record for it (in
North American libraries, at least, conversion of records to electronic format
for journal cataloging was based on records for subscriptions active at or
very near the time of conversion, with ceased, cancelled, or otherwise no
longer current titles [incl. those replaced in a title change] often not being
entered electronically).
i.u. has taken the stunningly brilliant step of THROWING AWAY (AS IN :
**DUMPSTERING**) THE WHOLE DAMNED CARD CATALOGUE.
a really quite astonishing act of vandalism, even for a notably Brain-Dead,
Technology-Intoxicated library administration.
in a more or less random fashion i have, myself, in the last six months found
nearly half a dozen errors in the on-line catalogue --ommissions,
misrepresentations, etc.-- and that is not including such things as the
failure to properly catalogue items like the Enlart above, which i'm sure we
do have.
insult to injury, the library has no doubt taken revenge on me for pointing
out these errors by ****LOOSING**** (as in : "gee, we don't know what happened
to it!") our copy of the Gallia Christiana --all 14 ELEPHANT FOLIO volumes,
"lost" in a move.
ooppps.
not to worry, the Paperless Lieberry will be here soon.
> >Enlart probably also discusses this question in his slightly later book
this one will be better than the article, i should think --though perhaps just
reprinting essentially the same text.
>E.'s assumption that many of these people were French may have been correct,
but his procedure with individual Latin names...and as having been motivated
by the same sort of Gaallic nationalism that led one of E.'s contemporaries to
assert on an equally tendentious basis that Honorius Augustodunensis'
geographic epithet meant that H. was "of Autun".
he was an important figure in French art history, certainly, but i've never
read any of his stuff, much less seriously gone into the historiographic
question of the specific ways nationalism entered into French scholarship in
this pre-WWI period.
from the title of his book ("Les origines francaise de l'architecture gothique
italienne", as i recall), ideology could very well have driven his
interpretation of, not just the monuments, but the documents as well.
but, have to say, "Gothic" architecture *was* a "French" invention (well, with
a little help from the Anglo-Normans), and, if i'm not mistaken, was termed
"French work" in some of the non-French areas where it was transplaned
(presumably, in the beginning, by Frenchmen).
thanks, John.
christopher
**********************************************************************
To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME
to: [log in to unmask]
To send a message to the list, address it to:
[log in to unmask]
To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion
to: [log in to unmask]
In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to:
[log in to unmask]
For further information, visit our web site:
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html
|