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I have not found any faults in depictions of Dominicans, my usual
subjects. I did some further digging in Mansi today & found another
reference to nigra bruna.
Tom Izbicki
At 05:46 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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>My impression is thatmedieval and Ren. artists are quite careful to
>represent the religious habit accurnately, particuarly when the artist is a
>member of the community whose member(s) are being depicted. The small
>details of the habit are of great importance to the community (I even
>overhead a conversation once among monks about the correct way to iron
>them), and are not likely to be glossed over or changed to somehow respond
>to an artistic convention or aesthetic requirement.
>jw
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>Subject: Re: Franciscan habit colour - grey or brown
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>At 8:47 AM -0500 2/24/03, Tom Izbicki wrote:
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> >I am working on regulation of clerical dress just now, & 13th century
> >synodal decrees on the habits of religious refer to black or brown,
> >sometimes "nigra bruna" together. Nothing specifies gray, but the friars
> >are not as often mentioned as are monks & canons.
> >Tom Izbicki
>
>Interesting! But it makes sense if the "black" isn't dyed-black but
>natural-black from the color of the wool.
>
>I had been until recently under the impression that brown, as such,
>was pretty much exclusive to Franciscans and Carmelites (and the
>occasional organized hermit group). Since brown habits with rope
>girdles do seem to be the "default" image in a lot of non-historians'
>minds when they think of the clothing of male religious before 1600,
>I've been trying to educate a few people out of that notion. (It's
>one of my pet peeves <g>.)
>
>References to "nigra bruna" make me think that I've been
>over-simplifying a bit too much in promoting specifically black or
>gray. It makes me wonder if the depiction of monastic habits in art
>as solidly black is as much an artistic convention as I already know
>to be the case in the depiction of unbleached "white" habits as
>solidly white (i.e. as not the natural off-white color but
>white-white).
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