Steve
Thanks
You know i did quickly trawl the GridPP pages under
PMB, Documents, TB...blah blah.. so was sure id
looked under TB before I mailed you.
As is normal these days though, i dont do anything thoroughly enough
anymore so sorry.
Anyway, thanks again.
Steve_T and Ian, could you look at this rollout document now Steve
has unburied it.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lloyd [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 16 January 2003 09:45
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
Subject: Re: TB support web page: missing link!
Pete,
I found two versions on the GridPP website. Since it is a TB document
(TB-02) it was where it should be i.e. under Technical Board Documents
on the TB page. An older (?) version is also under Documents->GridPP
Documents->GridPP Oversight Committee Documents. I have now linked the
TB version from the Grid Testbed->Testbed Support->Testbed Rollout page.
Beware that the document name has the version number in it and hence
if you ever replace it with another version you will have to update the
link in both places (TB and Rollout pages).
Cheers Steve
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Peter Clarke wrote:> Ian
>
> This is a very helpful message thanks.
>
> It was always foreseen that RAL would identify a person, but
> things could be changed if there isn't a suitable person
> there. Ill bring this up at the next PMB and discuss with John.
>
> In the meantime, I looked and indeed the document I referred to
> does not seem to be on the WEB. Im very surprised its not linked
> from the page you reference below. It is a "**many page** document,
> and it was sent to the CB some time ago.
>
> Steve: do either of you know where the "Rollout
> document" sent to the CB is (sorry if its there and I couldn't find it)
> If its not on the web, can you put it under documents, and a link
> to it from the page which Ian references below.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ian Stokes-Rees
> Sent: 14 January 2003 14:14
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: TB support web page: missing link!
>
>
> I agree that a user advocate would be valuable to the process. It must be
> agreed if the EDG software is now at a stage where such a person should
step
> up (or be appointed) -- if it is too early, then developers will simply be
> frustrated by a user advocate making requests which cannot practically be
> addressed. Of course, waiting too late will mean a sea of frustrated
users.
>
> I was only able to find:
>
> http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/tb-support/rollout.html
>
> as a roll out document. Are there any others?
>
> Provided the Oxford computing people bless my repeated installation of the
> EDG software at our site, I would be prepared to take a user advocate
role.
> I have some experience of having done this in the past for a software
> company I worked at for several years.
>
> Whoever takes this position, the most difficult thing is maintaining a
> positive and productive relationship with the developers, because it is
very
> easy for things to breakdown (IMHO).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ian.
>
> --
> Ian Stokes-Rees [log in to unmask]
> Particle Physics, Oxford
http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~stokes/
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Peter Clarke
>>Sent: 13 January 2003 07:30
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: TB support web page: missing link!
>>
>>
>>This is probably an example (may not be good one) of what I was
>>probably explaining badly on the phone meeting the other day about
>>the mythical person identified in the "rollout document"
>>
>>Quite rightly, the people working in the core (to make the
>>core testbed work and do as much as they can to provide instructions
>>for users) removed a link because some instructions were not
>>up to date. I emphasise that this is correct, and I wouldnt see it
>>as the core WP6 peoples job to "above all else" worry about
>>the completeness and integrity of every word aimed at the users
>>at all times - their primary job is to ge the testbed working
>>technically.
>>
>>Now as a user I can say that the UI instruction is an example of
>>some user oriented instructions which are really important
>>(i used it some months ago and found it both very good and essential
>>to get going). Thus I would say we ought not to be putting out
>>a general "call to install" without, for example, this item in place.
>>
>>This is exactly why I keep banging on about this mythincal "person"
>>identified in the rollout document. They would have exactly
>>this job <=
>>i.e. be the person whos primary responsibility (for at least a while)
>>is to always take THE USERS POINT OF VIEW rather than the
>>TESTBED ENGINEERS
>>POINT OF VIEW.
>>Thus they would guarantee the integrity, completeness and
>>veraciy of the
>>instruction set presented to users.
>>
>>John ? i guess now is the time this issue becomes real. Can you
>>comment on how you envisaged enacting the spirit of the rollout
>>document in this area ?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>Note : user = person at site charge with getting EDG testbed up
>> and running on behalf of their applications people.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Steve Traylen
>>Sent: 12 January 2003 20:25
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: TB support web page: missing link!
>>
>>
>>Hi Ben,
>>
>> I removed it because the page was so out of date.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Ben Waugh wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The link to "Setting Up a User Interface" seems to have
>>
>>disappeared from
>>the
>>
>>>tb-support page. Could someone put it back please?
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Steve Traylen
>>[log in to unmask]
>>http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/
>>
>
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