It is hard for me to reply to this without saying something that will sound
insulting
However what give yu the right to decide what is and is not a different
brain,
I wonder why on your own enable enterprises site you include dyslexia in an
alphabetical list of "disabilities" as well as a first hand account if you
continue to maintain on this list an opinion on dyslexia which was prevelent
maybe forty years ago when I was being educated. There is ample scientific
evidence now to show the differences in the brain that cause the range of
areas to be affected that are in dyslexia, it is more complex than just
being slow to lern to read, even when one has lernt to read, apparantly one
uses a diferent part of the brain,.
I suppose you regard the concessions I have to use a computer in
examinations an excuse for laziness ?
AS for autism, do you seriosly assert that this does not exist and indeed
persist until adulthood.
I forgot to mention my own asthma, since you bring asthma up. Yes mine is
mild but it killed my mum. If you were denied treatment for you asthma it
could kill you too.
If you are trying to advocate and promote disabilty awarness through this
enable enterprises of yours I think that some real awarness training will be
necessary after you have left and confused the issue with disregard for any
condition but one you have direct experience of.
I am not demanding a lable what I am doing is introducing an alternative to
medical lableing originated by people with these conditions not academics or
medics or social security or anyone else,
Ones essential right to call oneself what one wants, I don't call myself
disabled, it is other people that call me that, within the academic and
medical system.
Where I make common cause with other impairments I do not experience
directly is in experiencing the bureocracy the discrimination.
What would you feel like if someone told you that because CP originated in
the brain it did not really exist and you are refusing to lern to move
properly.
You do not only insult me with your mono focus you insult anyone with a
different "impairment to yourself"
Because blind people do not wave there arms and wear diapers and helmets I
suppose they do not pass your rigid criteria for a real disability either
I suppose my mother was not "impaired" by your model either because she was
not speech impaired and did not need a helmet although she needed assistance
with everything else.
I would suppose too that tardive dyskinesia an iatrogenic condition caused
by over use of neuroleptics often forced on neuro diverse people, not to say
compulsory detention in mental wards were not a form of oppression and never
happened ?????
Fortunately I believe your opinions are in the minority but usually they are
expressed by people outside of the disabilty movement not those who claim to
be within it which is what makes your position so untenable
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Simon Stevens
> Sent: 20 January 2003 00:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> This is probably the email that will see me and the whole of reality
> gets kicked off trhis life and given up to the socialism PC world may
> non-disabled self-oppressive impairment and academic corruption rules.
>
> Firstly, for those who are ignorant of impairment, cerebral palsy means
> brain damage and is the ultimate form of real neurodiversity! I
> therefore challenge anyone to have a more diverse brain than myself, any
> speech impaired, arm waves, diaper wearing, helmet using spastics there.
>
> I rather remember dyslexia was bad teaching and this modern fashionable
> form of autism was such a slow personality. If I wanted to, I could
> mention my asthma, my GERD and ingrowing toe nails.. but I don't need to
> use them since I don't have to excuse my actions.
>
> Right, I personally find it deeply offensive when people with mild
> dyslexia and this so-called autism, all in the name of diversity claim
> oppression and discrimination when they have no clue what it is,
> especially when they get a fat cheque for claiming to have an academic
> interest in disability when you want to kill real disabled off and keep
> the money for themselves.
>
> That me take you away from the comforts of non-disabled pretend
> impairments for a moments and tell you about me day! I am an advocate
> for people with severe impairment. While I should be paid, I am not and
> do it off my own back without any support from professionals, they too
> busy claimed their rights as the patronizing minority.
>
> This morning, I had to explain a wet dream to an 19 year old who had
> been denied any sex education. This evening, I have someone else staying
> with me because he has been abused and unlawfully imprisoned by his
> carer and had his care package collapse. They do not the luxury to
> claiming a new name and all they have is me!
>
> How can an American accuse me of reinforcing the medical model when
> Americans do not have a understanding of the medical/social model?
>
> I am insulted because real disabled have fought for years to avoid
> labels and now non-disabled people demand labels to improve their social
> status.
>
> The fact is this list is self-indulance and helps no one in the real
> world. Neurodiversiy in my opinion is merely of non-disabled people
> pushing disabled people out of society by claiming their fashion
> statement difficulties gives them the right to dicate our believes and
> policy and get paid to do it.
>
> Are disabled people allowed to control their movement or should be all
> now obey the well of the non-disabled impaired?
>
> People should consider their positions and ask themselves our their an
> allie or user of disabled people?
>
> I am been quiet for too long, its time things change.
>
>
> Many Thanks, Simon
> --
>
> Simon Stevens
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Arnold
> Sent: 19 January 2003 14:14
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
>
> I am not sure if your post to me will eventually find its way to this
> gruop
> where the debate should be contained.
>
> But I find it insulting that you claim to know more about autism than I
> do.
> I do not make the same claims for CP
>
> The world has moved on in terms of what defines autism and I can assure
> you
> that the problems are real enough if you look at employment education
> and
> social value
>
> You are exemplifiying in your subjective and highly personal decision as
> what is contained within the domain of disability.
>
> (satirical post follows) Lets start up a debate between hering
> impairment,
> and visual impairment as to who is worst off in society. Lets start a
> debate
> as to what vertebral fracture is the least that qulaifies one for spinal
> injury status.
>
> Let us declare that oh never mind I have lost it .......
>
> Larry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Simon Stevens
> > Sent: 19 January 2003 12:48
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have attempted to understand with neurodiversity with little
> success.
> > It sounds like a self-defined impairment which people who want their
> > social problems to be excused and medicalised to reduce their
> > responsility.
> >
> > I have cerebral palsy and is as real as a glass of wing, and no matter
> > of socialist imagination will stop of fact I have an real impacted. I
> > accept many new impairments are just made up so non-disabled people
> make
> > an mockery of disability and impairment. I am happy and proud of my
> > labels!
> >
> > I wish people would stop pretending to have impairments that doesn't
> > exist since I feel it is making a mockery of disabled people. Has the
> > social model been scraps in preference to an stronger medical model?
> >
> > I personally not letting my life be put on the life because other
> people
> > want to take the pissed and demand cures for make believe.
> >
> > Many Thanks, Simon
> >
> > --
> >
> > Simon Stevens
> > Managing Director, Enable Enterprises
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
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> >
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