I also wonder if there is a legal argument that if you are doing the same
job then you should get the same pay. There seem to be some legal savvy
people on the list, does anyone know the answer?
Simon
PS there is a staff grade post advertised in the BMJ at Heatherwood and
Wexham park with a starting salary of £50000 for 13 sessions.
Simon & Fiona Carley
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Fogarty" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Trick & Teat is Dead
> > I have to say that I am not looking forward to a significant pay cut
when
> I
> > become a consultant later this year (if I get a job that is -
economically
> > it would be better to take a 2A clinical fellow post somewhere that is
> paid
> > the same as the SpRs!!!) [Simon Carley]
>
> But you're missing one small point Simon; clinical fellows don't get this
> so-called banding, they simply get additional duty paid at an hourly rate,
> with some room for local flexibility. But most clinical fellows and staff
> grades are only going to get around time-and-a-half to double time for
> additional hours worked, there's no way any of them are getting triple or
> quadruple time or more, like the training grades do.
>
> > I'm with Adrian and Simon here. I've criticised Andrew enough in the
past
> > (and I still think he pushed too much for shift work in the early 90s);
> but
> > his job was to negotiate a good deal for juniors. In this he succeeded
> > admirably, particularly with the penalty payments for non-compliance by
> the
> > trust; and recognition of premium rates for unsocial hours. [Matt Dunn]
>
> Fine if it worked like a penalty system and the trusts started reducing
> juniors' hours, but this is very slow to filter through the system,
probably
> because HMG didn't realise how dependent the service was on juniors and
how
> overstretched juniors were before, hence the current difficulty in New
Deal
> compliance. If BFN could work a similar approach to the consultants'
> settlement (if there ever is one) then we could be on to a winner. You
know,
> punitive payments for hours worked beyond your normal sessions etc. First
> they've got to drop this "normal" day from 8am to 7pm lark; whatever
> happened to managers' time of 9 to 5? Remember that under the Hawker
scheme
> (standard day up to 10pm) very few consultants would have been affected
> anyway, except yours truly, yes you've guessed it, the good old A&E
> consultants!
>
> Adrian Fogarty
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