Hi Andy,
 
Yes, we'll be following the procedure helpfully outlined by Steve.  One proforma-3 from Southern Tier 2.
 
Jeff

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From: Andy Parker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Mon 12/22/2003 12:50 PM
To: Dave Newbold
Cc: Andy Parker; [log in to unmask]; Jeff Tseng
Subject: Re: GridPP2 Tender process



Hi all,

It seems to me that the Southern Tier2 would do well to follow London 
and submit a single Proforma 3.

Jeff, what do you think?

Andy

On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 12:14  pm, Dave Newbold wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Let me look through what you wrote... seems reasonable at first glance,
> though there needs to be some statement about this being decided
> properly later on etc...
>
>   Dave
>
>
> On 22 Dec 2003, at 11:40, Dr D J Colling wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yes this is essentially what I tried to do with the RB stuff ... after
>> much deliberation. I think that you are right and what we are trying
>> to do
>> is just that ... provide a level of service and the deliverables
>> should be
>> documentary proof that we have achieved this. So I think that this is
>> what
>> I shall put into our bid. Do you have any thoughts about the levels
>> that I
>> suggested?
>>
>> All the best and a merry Christmas,
>> david
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Dave Newbold wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Interesting, I *think* we (Southern T2) were planning to fill in
>>> proforma-3 on institute basis (though it doesn't make much
>>> difference).
>>>
>>> Regarding the milestones, we also battled with this in the data
>>> management area - i.e. how to encapsulate the concept of a 'level of
>>> service' within time-ordered milestones. Perhaps it would be better 
>>> to
>>> stop fitting square pegs into a round hole, and write down the
>>> deliverables from these support posts explicitly as SLAs?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>    Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2003, at 10:18, Dr D J Colling wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Steve (or anybody else in the know),
>>>>
>>>> I am just looking for guidance re the proforma 3 for the Tier 2s. We
>>>> are
>>>> planning to send in one for the whole London Tier 2. Clearly this
>>>> will
>>>> contain a specialist part and a general operations part.
>>>>
>>>> While the specialist posts that we will be bidding for (Networking
>>>> and
>>>> Workload management) have particularly well defined milestones ;-) I
>>>> cannot see any for the operations posts. Clearly, the level of
>>>> service
>>>> required has a direct consequence on the effort required.
>>>>
>>>> Can I suggest deliverables of the type that I put into the Tier 2
>>>> Workload
>>>> Management (Resource Brokering) part. These are of the form of
>>>> percentage
>>>> availability. Here I would suggest percentage availability of a
>>>> percentage
>>>> of the resource (it would be quite easy to keep 1 PC running at 95%
>>>> availability). With the availability and usage to be collated and
>>>> reported
>>>> on a 6 monthly basis. Given Ian Bird's statement that there will be
>>>> no
>>>> more step changes (ie incompatible upgrades) after LCG2 I think that
>>>> we
>>>> should aim for 95% availability throughout.
>>>>
>>>> SO deliverables might be
>>>>
>>>> PM6 50% of all resources available 95% of the time
>>>> PM12 80% of all resources available 95% of the time
>>>> PM18->36 Greater than 90% of all resources available 95% of the time
>>>>
>>>> Any comments/thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> If this is all to be covered in the MoU then I apologise sticking my
>>>> oar
>>>> in early but then we need guidance for the proforma 3 now.
>>>>
>>>> I know that it is close to Christmas but ...
>>>>
>>>> Finally seasons greetings to all,
>>>> david
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Steve Lloyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>    The GridPP2 Proforma-2 Tender Documents are available at
>>>>> http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/docs/Proforma2.html There has not yet been
>>>>> time
>>>>> to define all deliverables to the required level of granularity and
>>>>> this
>>>>> will be done by iteration with the relevant Institutes when they're
>>>>> known.
>>>>>    You are invited to submit Proforma-3 bids for these posts to me
>>>>> by
>>>>> Friday 9 January 2004. Please refer to the notes below taken from
>>>>> the
>>>>> GridPP Tender Document.
>>>>>      Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year
>>>>> --
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> +
>>>>> +
>>>>> +  Steve Lloyd                     Queen Mary, University of London
>>>>> +
>>>>> +  E-mail: [log in to unmask]    Physics Department
>>>>> +
>>>>> +  Phone:  +44-(0)20-7882-5057     Mile End Road
>>>>> +
>>>>> +  Fax:    +44-(0)20-8981-9465     London E1 4NS, UK
>>>>> +
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> +
>>>>> +
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. Proforma-3: Bid from Institutes
>>>>>
>>>>> The proposed Principal Investigators must submit one form per
>>>>> proposed FTE
>>>>> effort including:
>>>>> 1. a list of main objectives (as in the PPARC JES web submission
>>>>> form:
>>>>> see
>>>>> https://je-s.rcuk.ac.uk/eforms/secure/Login.asp);
>>>>> 2. a short abstract (as in the PPARC JES form);
>>>>> 3. the name of the principal investigator and co-investigators at
>>>>> each institute (as in the PPARC JES form);
>>>>> 4. the deliverables to be undertaken;
>>>>> 5. name of identified individual, where applicable.
>>>>> 6. If this is a proposed continuation of post, and with reference 
>>>>> to
>>>>> the deliverables defined by the relevant group in Proforma-2, 
>>>>> please
>>>>> describe the particular skills that the present postholder brings 
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> task.
>>>>> 7. Does this programme of work involve an experiment or group not
>>>>> currently engaged in GridPP?  If so, please describe in a few
>>>>> sentences
>>>>> how this fits in with the current programme at your Institute.
>>>>> 8. Please describe any other effort at your institute in the 
>>>>> GridPP2
>>>>> period that may support the programme of work you have proposed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additional Notes:
>>>>> 1. don't be concerned if you can't access the JES page(s) - PPARC
>>>>> submissions will be required eventually for successful bids. All
>>>>> that
>>>>> is
>>>>> required here is a short objectives summary and and a <100 word
>>>>> abstract
>>>>> of the person's role.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. A single document is requested where there are a series of FTEs
>>>>> requested in a given area. The return(s) should however identify
>>>>> each
>>>>> individual role.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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