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From: GK VanPatter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:48 PM
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Subject: Re: False Consciousness, etc.
Can anyone draw a picture of the process (not content) being used in this
conversation?
Can anyone draw a picture of why there is confusion in this conversation?
Can anyone see parallels to conversations at work, at school?
Gk VanPatter
NextDesign Leadership Institute
New York
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> From: Michael A R Biggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Michael A R Biggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:35:02 +0100
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: False Consciousness, etc. -- Response to Michael Biggs
>
> OK, but I hope I communicated my concern that you seemed to be putting
> yourself in an exposed position by attempting to scope the problem. I still
> do not regard that as necessary. Mapping the scope achieved by the
> participants onto the scope of the literature would be interesting, but a
> large task.
>
> best wishes
> Michael
>
> At 10:37 02/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> Dear Michael,
>>
>> Your note asks a question about my summary: "Is there a reason why
>> the only references are to earlier correspondents?"
>>
>> There is.
>>
>> I am trying to state the questions apparent here in our discussion
>> rather than review the literature. This does not prevent referring to
>> the extensive literature on false consciousness, contradiction, and
>> self-deception. It involves restating and examining the conversation
>> on this list.
>>
>> Several of us have referred to the literature. I have cited
>> Kierkegaard, Becker, and Freud on false consciousness, and discussed
>> Argyris and Schon on reflective practice and organizational learning
>> in terms of design learning.
>>
>> It is important to clarify our thoughts and the way we understand and
>> apply ideas. When the thread recurred several times, I decided to
>> summarize the various issues and questions to see where an inquiry
>> might lead.
>>
>> One feature of a literature review would be helpful in the
>> discussion. In addition to noting the external sources, it helps to
>> summarize what the cited authors say and explain how their views
>> apply here. I have done this for Kierkegaard to some degree, as Keith
>> Russell has done for Sartre. I also related Argyris and Schon relate
>> to the thread without developing the comment fully. In contrast, I
>> have merely noted that issues are considered in Becker and Freud, and
>> in others, such as Goffman, Damasio, Lakoff, and Johnson. Perhaps I
>> should have discussed their views.
>>
>> When I have completed a summary of questions, I hope to return to the
>> issues and perhaps to some of the scholars who have addressed them.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> I am curious about the course this discussion has taken.
>>
>> While I admire Ken's ability to analyze and summarize the threads
>> that occur on this list, I feel that the present summary risks
>> contradicting our other [implicit] approaches to research. A lot of
>> work is in the public domain in the fields of the philosophy of
>> psychology and psychology, on false consciousness. When such work is
>> available we usually encourage referencing rather than thinking the
>> matter through from scratch. Ken's admirable summary seems like the
>> sort of thing that would be useful if there were no work in the
>> public domain on this subject.
>>
>> I have already suggested Fingarette. I could also suggest
>> Wittgenstein (on the ability to know one's internal states), and I
>> think others have already cited Kierkegaard and Sartre.
>>
>> May I add that I think the subject is very relevant for anyone
>> seeking to validate reflective practice as a research method.
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ken Friedman, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
>> Department of Leadership and Organization
>> Norwegian School of Management
>>
>> Visiting Professor
>> Advanced Research Institute
>> Faculty of Art, Media, and Design
>> Staffordshire University
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