John,
Actually, although I am in the education/instructional arena Walter Vincenti
is very much product design and industrial. He is emeritus from the Department
of Aeronautics and Astronautics at Stanford. That is why I thought that he
would be known given the ties to the Design Research Society.
Jon
>===== Original Message From John Feland <[log in to unmask]> =====
>My guess is that Jon Nelson, coming from an Instructional Design
>background, is speaking of topics in Learning Design.
>
>Being a newbie myself, I am under the impression that this listserv tends
>to focus on product design and industrial design, given it's ties to the
>Design Research Society.
>
>Currently living in between the Edu Design community and the Product Design
>community, I see shared histories of evolved methods and theories that only
>recently are becoming aware of the other.
>
>One thing is for sure, they both use "design" to represent similar but at
>times different concepts.
>
>I have seen groups initially nod heads in agreement at the beginning of the
>conversation since they were all using the same words but then erupt into
>lively discussions when all parties realize the meanings being conveyed are
>radically different.
>
>Comments?
>
>John Feland
>Center for Design Research
>Stanford University
>
>
>
>At 04:06 PM 2/10/2003 -0600, Joe Hadar wrote:
>>I have to admit I've never heard of Vincenti, but no surprise there. What
>>I've looked up today has me curious. Operational principles and normal
>>configurations sounds vaguely like, form follows function.
>>
>>Can you give me a brief primer on professor Vincenti's ideas? I take it he
>>is interested in the messiness of design, versus the perceived simplicity
>>when viewing design as history. He appears to be focused mainly on
>>aeronautical engineering.
>>
>>I think this relates in a way to a different discussion about the future of
>>the cell phone. Undoubtedly, in hindsight, the cell phone of 2050 will seem
>>obvious, but to those of us around today, it is still a mystery. And who
>>knows how many new technologies (EG. blue tooth) will promise one advantage
>>and deliver something entirely unexpected.
>>
>>Joe H.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhDs in Design
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jon Nelson
>>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:00 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: just wondering
>>
>>
>>Last week I sent out an email on the topic of a thread I thought was an
>>active
>>thread: Generative Ideas. It looked like there had been considerable
>>discussion on the issue. However, I am new to the list and that was the
>>first
>>email I received as a new member. I was asking for anyone's input on Walter
>>Vincenti's work with Operational Principles and Normal Configurations and
>>how
>>they think his ideas work as a generative principle.
>>
>>I am curious to know why I haven't received any responses? Is my question
>>way
>>off topic? Is Vincenti taboo on this list? I am struggling to understand why
>>no one has even commented... even so much as to tell me that I am a bit
>>touched! Just wondering!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jon Nelson
>>Instructional Designer
>>Utah State University
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