Mieko et al,
My understanding of Lesley's first query is that OUP journal contents is
loaded onto Ingenta(Select)'s servers, not just referred through to OUP's
servers (i.e. different to the situation with ScienceDirect) so you
separately need to activate access at Ingenta(Select), as well as at the
OUP site.
If our subscriptions to any publisher's journals entitle us to online
access at more than one host, then I think that we should try to activate
access at all of them.
Say we only chose to activate access to OUP's journals at OUP's sites, and
linked to those from our catalogue. What about users who find a paper in
one of our subscribed OUP journals at Ingenta(Select) by searching
Ingenta(Select), Google, or a bibliographic database?
What we could do with is automatic communication between publishers and
hosts, so that when you set up access at one site, access is enabled at all
sites to which your subscription entitles you - an OpenActivate protocol!
We try to activate access at all available sites, but usually only link to
one from our catalogue to make the collation of usage stats easier. But I
dare say there are many journals where we have overlooked activating access
at all sites - until one of our users uncovers a problem at our 'chosen'
site.
Terry Bucknell
Electronic Resources Manager
Harold Cohen Library
University of Liverpool
PO Box 123 Liverpool L69 3DA
Tel: +44 (0)151 794 5408 Fax: +44 (0)151 794 5417
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--On 06 October 2003 17:29 +0100 Mieko Yamaguchi <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Under "Full text access", "Information for libraries" on the BIDS web
> site, I found the following.
>
> "Several BIDS bibliographic databases (IBSS, RSC), are linked to
> ingentaJournals."
>
> So the next question is can you access the OUP journal article in
> question via the ingentajouranls site?
>
> I tried a couple of links from IBSS to OUP journal articles and was able
> to view PDF files. The journals I tried were Parliamentary Affairs and
> European Sociological Reviews.
>
> I don't think it's a matter of paying for the same title twice, but I'm
> not sure why we need to arrange that titles from publishers such as OUP
> and ScienceDirect are also accessible from ingenta when they can be
> accessed directly.
>
> We have always preferred to provide direct links to the publishers' site
> for electronic journals. "Closed" full text links such as IBSS to
> ingentajournals are often problematic as we don't know what's going on
> behind the scene.
>
> Ingentajournals is OpenURL compliant, so if you have a link resolver you
> should be able to link to articles from A&I databases. In order for
> linking to work the origin (in this case IBSS) must also be OpenURL c
> ompliant. As far as I can tell BIDS IBSS is not.
>
> If we are prepared to pay to access IBSS via CSA (which is OpenURL
> compliant) we can probably link from IBSS to ingentajournals without
> having to depend on BIDS's own linking mechanism and authentication,
> but I have digressed from your original question!
>
> Mieko
>
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Lesley Crawshaw wrote:
>
>> One of the students was doing a search on IBSS (International
>> Bibliography of the Social Sciences) on BIDS, which provides some links
>> to full text journals. She had found a good reference to an article in
>> Parliamentary Affairs, an OUP title, but when we tried to access the
>> full text she was told by ingenta that "we were not recognised as a
>> subscriber of this journal, but could pay to view the full text.
>>
>> Now, not only do we have a subscription to this journal, we also have a
>> deal for 2003 to access almost all of OUP journals. So why are we being
>> refused access? We can access the full text of this article through the
>> Highwire site where this title is located, but we can't access the full
>> text of this title on ingenta. I thought that with OUP titles on ingenta
>> that the authentication for access was carried out at the OUP site, as
>> is the case with titles on ScienceDirect, so why are we being refused
>> access? Should we really be expected to pay twice for what we have
>> already paid for?
>
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