In internet mailing lists, everyone's a woman and, unfortunately,
self-loathing is too common. Jo' can rail against her sisters
occasionally... she'll be back.
Yours,
Dave.
David McCallum
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existing within you, as a part of every day, like breathing... and then
what?" - Process; A Tomato Project
-----Original Message-----
From: Film-Philosophy Salon [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Joseph Billings
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Cinenova
Read the add. It advertises a women only event.
--- alfiesgal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> joseph's "knee-jerk" response has prior company. i
> remember being horrified by a bright stanford graduate
> recruit of chinese extraction, who scoffed at the idea
> anyone should pursue post-graduate asian studies for her
> view that it portends to "ethnic ghettoizing" and
> excludes the great white father's history and appetites.
> she believed talking about chinese history would write
> out chinese-american relations or ostracize american
> history in general in the academy.
>
> similarly, joe, i don't think any film network focusing
> on women can really exclude men to the extent they refuse
> to have any professional, creative, or even personal
> contact with them in their daily pursuit of art &
> commerce. they're interested in helping women with a
> forum of support and access. the fact that men are on the
> dialectical end of the gender seesaw, doesn't mean
> they're out to dis-empower men. granted, there are
> certain flavors of feminism (or any type of interest
> groups carried to the extremes of "fanaticism") who are
> aggressive about writing men off the earth. but you don't
> write off the whole islamic faith just because a few
> extremists carry it to the extent of terrorist crusades.
> (of course i'm writing this with only knowledge of
> cinenova's philosophy, not the actual dynamics and
> practice of their female participants when interacting
> with men in the industry.) if you truly can't see that a
> for-women group like cinenova may be no more excluding of
> men than a!
> n alcoholic anonymous group is of overweight folks,
> veterans bill is of non-vets, or methodist church is of
> buddhists, then we really have a case of "knee-jerk" on
> our hands indeed.
>
> but yes, i understand that sense of panic similar to what
> an asian woman feels, when she casts a glance to the blue
> yonder of USA (or insert your
> own paradise) and sees mostly the "good ol' boys club"
> holding the keys to legitimacy and other grease tins for
> the structure. it must be the same feeling of apocalypse
> for a man to look aside and see, what amounts to a
> _mirage_ in this case, a (under-funded?) "good ol' girls
> club" out to leave men in their heels' dust. not true.
>
> jacqui
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Film-Philosophy Salon
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Joseph Billings
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:52 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Cinenova
> >
> >
> > Who did I call I feminist spam? My original quip said
> it
> > all. If the the posting had included an add for an
> event
> > that excluded Blacks, I would have written, "Send your
> > desperate white folk only request to white folks only."
> The
> > feminist spam remark, incidently, was made in response
> to
> > someone who thought I had no right to voice an
> objection to
> > the gender exclusive advertisement.
> >
> > If you think objecting to gender exclusion is bigoted
> > nonsense, then I hardly see how anything else I might
> have
> > said would not have also been lost on you.
> >
> > Joe
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