yeah i think a filmmaker using images the way a musician uses notes is
very interesting and powerful yet it still remains in the realm of
cinema and is fundamentally different at its base. I think that music is
essentially different and communicates differently at its base. when a
piece of music comes into a film it brings along with it its own power,
its own way of communication. music is sound based! - what would music
be without sound? time captures the sound within this particular realm.
i would also think that if you suppose that music is time based,
everything would be time based? time just seems so coincidental to me.
It is something that just so happens to be. i think we would disagree
when it comes down to words. where i would situate sound as the "base"
in music and not time. And I would situate the cinema as being image
based. The root by which they move through time, or use time, is
essentially different.
i was also thinking about the context within the first question where
subtitling comes into question. Thinking about when a filmmaker brings
in this other medium in order to enhance a particular scene. Futhermore,
the email in which someone talked about a particular film with a song
where the words cant be understood would help my point. Even though the
words arent understandable a certain motivating force from the music is
communicated to help the scene. Yet, youre point concerning the cinema
working like music is very good, and is something that i am very
interested in exploring on the basis of a "collage aesthetic." Here i am
thinking about a collage form in art i.e. synthetic cubism, surrealism,
dada, sampling in hip hop - dj shadow & dj spooky... and with found
footage cinema Martin Arnold, Craig Baldwin, Bruce Conner... and here i
would situate time as an important aspect - particualrly rhythm. I would
maintain that they are diferrent in terms of their "base" - their
primary mode - their very fundamental difference: sound vs. image. But
for me that would not mean that they cant share similar components.
James
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>Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 04:32:27 GMT
>From: "Mark O'Connell" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "Film-Philosophy Salon" <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: music-moving pictures
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>James
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>I really hope you're not just having a little joke on me. I mean, I'm
>totally at a loss as to how you could suggest that music is anything
but
>time based. Think about it man. How can a note exist if not in
time????? A
>note has to have a beginning and end in time, without time there is no
>note. A note is an absolutely fundamentally time based event! Cinema
shares
>this characteristic. A painting or a piece of graphic art you could
>conceivably take in at a glance, in the briefest moment, time based
media
>you have to wait for. There is an unfolding that cannot be rushed,
until a
>certain amount of time has passed, the information simply isn't
available.
>
>As for the question about a band playing along with projections, the
answer
>is no. That's not at all what I was thinking about. I was thinking
about
>moving images working more in the way music does. The
>hollywood/narrative/theatrical/literary stuff is all well and good (in
its
>place I guess) but you'd think that a rich dynamic media like this
could do
>more, go further, and music is an interesting model. What if a
filmmaker
>used images the way a musician uses notes? I was thinking of something
more
>like that...
>
>
>
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>>Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:45:03 -0800
>>From: James Huerta <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: Re: FILM-PHILOSOPHY Digest - 4 Mar 2003 to 5 Mar 2003 -
Special
>issue
>>(#2003-60)
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>>in terms of rhythm and time they are similar but i would disagee that
>>music is time based. its aural as oppossed to visual. Although I find
>>beauty in their synthesis which i think is based on the meeting of
their
>>rhythmic/time/movement components. I dont think they would
necessarily
>>ever completely merge though. But, id be interested in hearing the
>>conditions of a merger. maybe they re able to successfully cross
over.
>>would a band performing along with projections be considered an
example
>>of a merger?
>>James
>
>Mark O'Connell
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